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post #1 of 23
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What the hey...I'll put some up! Here are three videos of me skiing this season.
  1. Video 1: 1.5MB .mov: Taken on Dec-26-2006 on Poppyfield (blue) at Vail. Very nice groomed snow with good grip. Just doing some medium-radius turns.
  2. Video 2: 2.7MB .wmv: Taken on Jan-19-2007 on Anticipation (blue) at Keystone. Groomed cruiser with some scraped-off patches here and there.
  3. Video 3: 2MB .wmv: Taken on Jan-22-2007 at Snowmass. Small bumps with soft snow.
In videos 1 and 2 I'm skiing 165cm Atomic Metron EX's (84mm waist). In video 3 I'm skiing 170cm Nordica Afterburners (82mm waist).

Background: 32-yo male. This is my 4th season of skiing. I've averaged about 30-40 days per season, bringing my total days on snow to about 150.
  • Season 1: Took three lessons at Loveland to start. Skied rest of the season on my own. For anyone interested, here's a video MA thread of my skiing after about 2.5 months of skiing (the video in that thread is actually much smaller than it says, about 800K).
  • Season 2: Took an all-day lesson at Copper with mike_m. Skied with some Bears throughout the season, including Noodler, dp, Bob Barnes, vail snopro, Uncle Louie, etc.
  • Season 3: Skied a lot (ended with 53 days), with lots of Bears (including Noodler, dp, Barnes, cgeib, mike_m, Uncle Louie, bong, ssh, and the original Mr. 97% himself!). Went to my first ESA at Snowbird/Alta which helped a lot.
  • Season 4: A torn ACL meant a premature end to the season, but still managed to get in 24 days. Skied a bunch with Noodler, dp, ssh, cgeib, bong, KevinF, and others.
So what am I doing well and what needs work?
post #2 of 23
Faisay-this looks like great carved skiing to me. Any nits would have to come from much more trained eyes than mine.
post #3 of 23
Hey, Fais... I didn't think you were on the good drugs, yet. That big 84 on the bottom of your Afterburners? Means the waist is 84mm.

After that satirical remark, I'll go take a look at your videos.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Hey, Fais... I didn't think you were on the good drugs, yet. That big 84 on the bottom of your Afterburners? Means the waist is 84mm.
I should have remembered that! know...I've been skiing them so much since I got them! I guess I was thinking of the AC4 which is 82mm.
post #5 of 23
Faisasy, you and I have discussed some of this before, and I know you and your skiing pretty well, so my input may be of more limited value to you as a result. But, I'll give it a shot...

First, you are a very strong skier! You know where your edges are, and you know how to use them to create arcs. Well done!

Your bump skiing has really taken on a solid ability, as well. At the beginning of that clip I thought you were going to go shopping, but you dove in and moved through the bumps very well.

My encouragement to you is to consider being more progressive in your movements. You tend to move to an edge angle, hold it, and then move quite quickly through neutral to the other set of edges and hold them. I would encourage you to play with the sensations of moving onto and off of your edges more melodically. More like a pendulum motion than a rapid move to the edge, a pause, and a move back. Primarily because I think it would help your flow. What I see is a bit of "posing" while you're in the high edge angles; you stop moving at that point and so have to get the movement restarted as you move towards the next set of edges.

Do you see this in your skiing? Do you feel it?
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Do you see this in your skiing? Do you feel it?
Yes, I definitely see the park-and-ride syndrome, especially in the second video. Do you think the first video shows less of it than the second?
post #7 of 23
Originally Posted by faisasy View Post
Yes, I definitely see the park-and-ride syndrome, especially in the second video. Do you think the first video shows less of it than the second?
Perhaps a little, but I think it may have more to do with line choice than technique. When you choose longer arcs you tend to park there a bit more, it seems.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
When you choose longer arcs you tend to park there a bit more, it seems.
Now that I think about it, you're right. So what's the best way to get rid of it? I don't remember who exactly, but Bergie or Megan suggested turning before I usually would turn (or before I'm ready to turn) as something to try.
post #9 of 23
Salaam Faisasy,

Good skiing! In video 1 you are working the edges nicely, but have a slight touch of ye olde Park N Ride. In video 2, there is less park and ride and there are some great examples of cross under turns. At 13 seconds, as you go by the camera, you can see your butt behind your heels. Stand taller and expose your belly button to the wind. On the following right turn (15 seconds) you can see the turn start with a wicked lateral drop of the inside hips. This puts a bit too much weight on the inside ski (see the divergence of the outside ski?). Focus on getting more forward movement vs lateral for your move to the inside. I'd also like to see a bit more independence in the legs. As you get to neutral in between turns, there's a little bit of a head pop because your legs are close to the same length. If you would work the ankles more before getting to neutral you could make smoother turns. We want to see some extension of the old inside ankle happening at the same time the new inside ankle is collapsing (lift the inside big toe) as the old turn is finishing up. This will also help to get the excess weight off the inside ski. In video 3, if that's Megan saying much better, I'm not going to disagree.

Rats - I see Steve stole my "parking space" while I was writing this.
post #10 of 23
To ski that well in just 4 years is a real accomplishment, because 99plus % don't. In fact, you're skiing is excellent if it was applied to the years of experience of a "grizzled" vet. Just proves to me that correct movement patterns that produce excellent skiing can be learned and applied in a pretty short period of time. You're only going to get better with more miles and the same dedication to improvement. Hope you have a quick recovery from your injury and pickup where you left off.
post #11 of 23
Originally Posted by faisasy View Post
So what's the best way to get rid of it?
"10 toes" does a good job for many people. Think about getting all 10 toes pointed down the fall line before turning out of it. To do this, you have to slow down the turn entry and the turn exit so much that you need to use more time getting ready for the turn and more turn recovering from all of the extra speed you get from being in the fall line. Taking your time eating up all that speed coming out of the turn keeps you busy instead of parking.

Getting more ankle movement into your turns will also help.
post #12 of 23

I won't add to the advice already given, because I all I can say is that you are a little static vertically and a little aft at times (notice the excessive bending at the waist, which you seem to do to keep out of the backseat). OK enough of that. What really freaks me out is the difference 4 short years have made for you. It is unreal man!

Now I do remember you skiing the first day at the ESA, down Big Burn. I recognize the little backsack you are wearing. By the way, when I saw you at ESA I was quite impressed with your form and your speed. You were just flying down that run. Very cool. You should be really proud of what you achieved in 4 years.
post #13 of 23

Im on a similar track as you, 4th season of skiing, I might do my level 2 skiing portion later this season at the urging of a few clinicians but something I've been working on personally and what I see a bit of in the video... I'm being a little hypercritical here so bear with me (no pun intended)
here's something: maybe even less up/down vetrical 'pop'. You have very little to begin with (maybe terrain/ camera angle in some cases) but continuously absorbing the energy from the ski with your legs, shadow in the front skiing helps quiten it up pretty well. Your movement pattern is awesome, great forward lateral diving right into the next turn!
post #14 of 23
faisasy I will say that you ski better than many ski instructors who have been skiing for a lot longer than you.

Others have mentioned the park and ride, static look, quick edge changes and the need to be more progressive. These are all code words for "you are not allowing your body to flow into the next turn"(not releasing your center of mass) You are in good company on this one as many very advanced skiers have these traits.

I see a movement pattern that you are doing that is preventing you from moving progressively into the next turn. Until you replace that movement pattern with a releasing movement pattern you are unlikely to get out of park and ride.

What I am seeing is evident throughout your skiing and most evident in the 2.5 month video. Once on a set of edges you are attempting to control the size and shape of the turn by means of moving the inside hip too far inside, down and back with a coresponding drop in shoulder and a bending at the waist to compensate for being back and inside (rotation). You are stuck there at the end of your turn.

If I were to compare this move to driving a stick shift car it would be that your hips are going from second gear to fourth gear (quick edge change) after transition instead of from second to third gear. Up and forward.

There are three good ways to release your body into the next turn. One is to move the hips up over your feet via dorsi flexion of the ankle and extension of the knee (forward). A second way is to pull both feet back underneath you via the torso/core muscles (forward). A third way is to take pressure away from the old outside ski/new inside ski (lateral). Any combination of 1 & 2 combined with 3 results in a diagonal movement into the new turn and a release of the body mass to smooth flow.

Method one of releasing the body combined with method three is best used when acceleration into a turn is desired such as cruising groomers. Method two combined with method three is best used where no acceleration of the body is desired such as steeps, bumps or lazy parallel turns (backpedalling)

Once the body is released to flow into the new turn, the radius of your turns can be controlled by tipping the new inside ski and guiding both feet.

I hope this makes sense.
post #15 of 23

Scraped off????????

Originally Posted by faisasy View Post
...with some scraped-off patches here and there...
As compared to what? ...2 foot of fresh! I seem to recall Kevin feeling that it was a powder day Ok, I'll grant you they were scraping that colored line indicating where to stand when getting on the chair.

As we've discussed before, I'm impressed 125% with your skiing overall and I think your GO FACTOR is incredible for your time on ski's! I really wish we could have skied after ESA ...I'll catch ya next season.

Only thing I'd add to what the boyz have said so far is: Don't let all the advice to move forward (stand taller, hips over feet, belly button in the wind, vertical femurs, flex ankle/extend knee, doyouwantfrieswiththat, etc) stop you from flexing when it IS appropriate!

For example, go a couple/few frames past the initial 13sec mark theRusty pointed out to where you're neutral (close counts). IMHO stopping here things look pretty cool (even though your hips are behind your feet in a static sense), and you can go look thru that great montage you just assembled and stop a bunch of great skiers in the same position, once you do that, play them forward and see what they do next...

Hope to see when I'm out in a few weeks!
post #16 of 23
Faisasy, first I have to congratulate you. You've come so far technically from the time I first saw you ski last season. Your edge control is like night and day now. It's very apparent the work and study you've been putting into your days, both off and on snow.

OK,, enough with the niceties. You've got "happy dog syndrome". Your transitions are comprised of a hip toss/swing back and forth across your skis, such that you look like a dog enthusiastically wagging its tail as you ski down the hill. This is the cause of the quick, non-progressive edge change Steve sees,,, you're physically causing the cross over more than employing the prior turn forces to do it for you. And because your hips are projected aft as you do this tail wag transition, you compensate by doing the forward flexion at the waist that Tom noticed.

Stand up,,, bring your hips forward,,, add progressive engagement to your transitions by powering and controling their speed/nature via prior turn momentum and how you extend your old inside leg and flex your old outside leg,,, drive the inside hip forward and in at the beginning of a turn, don't let the outside hip swing back,,, feel the new outside ski roll onto its edge softly and build angle and pressure gradually.

Last thing,,, even though you launch into your new edge engagement very rapidly, it quickly terminates at a low edge angle. You need to work on continuing to flex the new inside leg into even higher edge angles, letting your CM drop further into the turn. Expand your edge angle parameters.
post #17 of 23
Originally Posted by cgeib View Post
IMHO stopping here things look pretty cool
Ayup, where I said wicked, I meant wicked=good.
post #18 of 23
Originally Posted by cgeib View Post
I seem to recall Kevin feeling that it was a powder day
I don't know that I thought it was a powder day, but I failed to see anything at Keystone (or anywhere in the state of Colorado, for that matter) that even remotely resembled "scraped off". I guess it's what you're used to.
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies. I'll have to go through them in detail in a few days. My wife has been in labor since this morning (: ), so haven't had a chance to do much. Now that she's had an epidural (), I'm able to check in quickly.
post #20 of 23
Enjoy this time, Faisasy. It's a miracle, and sometimes we miss that. Bless you, mom, and little one.
post #21 of 23
Faisasy - I never got to see you riding the new skis this season, but I loved that 3rd video - you're actually really starting to get it in the bumps. I've never seen you go at the bumps right down the line. I see the beginnings of getting the timing right - with the pole plants, your foot movement, and your anticipation/absorption (even if we only got to see a few turns there).

I sure hope we're both out there together next season. It looks like you really made the most of your 24 days on snow this season.
post #22 of 23
I forgot to say congrats and good luck! I'm sure by now that you have that new addition to the family.
post #23 of 23
Well congratulations faisasy. And I hope your wife and child are doing well.
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