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Belleayre or Windham?

post #1 of 21
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I'm thinking of taking a spin up to the Catskills in the morning from Northern Jersey... As Plattekill is unfortunately not open and having no interest in another day at Hunter, I was thinking about giving Belleayre or Windham a try. As I've never been to either, I ask you fellow Catskills skiers, which do you prefer???

Also, anyone up in the Catskills, did this storm turn to rain up there as it did around NYC or has it stayed white?
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by ILikeSki View Post
I'm thinking of taking a spin up to the Catskills in the morning from Northern Jersey... As Plattekill is unfortunately not open and having no interest in another day at Hunter, I was thinking about giving Belleayre or Windham a try. As I've never been to either, I ask you fellow Catskills skiers, which do you prefer???
During the week I would go to Windham. On a weekend Belleayre.
post #3 of 21
Absolutely Belleayre! Better snow, better atmosphere, better bumps.

No rain at all up here, by the way. Got about 4 new inches in the backyard in last 24 hours. May have to sneak out for a few hours tomorrow.
post #4 of 21
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Moguljunkie... I had a feeling you'd be pulling for Belleayre and thx for the weather report!

In the bottom of the 2nd... its 1 1/2 to 1/2 in favor of Belleayre!
post #5 of 21
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Absolutely Belleayre! Better snow, better atmosphere, better bumps.

Agreed, Bellearye is in great shape right now,Bumps,glades ,groomed.
Never cared for Windham.
post #6 of 21
dont forget, better people
post #7 of 21
would be there right now but tweeked leg/hamstring and must take a day or 2 off and see if it gets better
post #8 of 21
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. May have to sneak out for a few hours tomorrow.
Wed. looks like the day,Sunshine
post #9 of 21
Belleayre's woods were skiing nicely after the VD dump. Are they still in decent shape?
post #10 of 21
Belleayre sucks - don't go, and tell your friends too!

Honestly, I like Belleayre alot. I ski both though. For more challanging terrain I think Belleayre is better, although the slopes are all basically narrow straight runs.

Windham is more $, nicer lodge (if you have non-skiers going with you) and more interesting terrain. It's also 30 minutes further up = less ski time.

-Scott
post #11 of 21
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Belleayre's woods were skiing nicely after the VD dump. Are they still in decent shape?
They were as of Sunday
post #12 of 21
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Wed. looks like the day,Sunshine
That's what I ended up thinking. Hope I can get out there.
post #13 of 21
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I wound up going to Belleayre yesterday... and had a blast! The woods were still in excellent condition as of yesterday and the moguls were nice and soft from the fresh drop the day/night before. I really enjoyed their glade trails and spent most of my day in there and in the bumps, where I nearly never ski. I don't know if it was the conditions or using short im75s... where I'm usually a 70/30 skier, I was 30/70 yesterday and lovin' it! Knees not so happy today though:-)

I even had some adventure... I was skiing the bottom part of a closed Cathedral Brook, which was awesome and barely touched, thin cover my a**! I was having such a good time on it that when the trail cut left, I didn't realize it and kept going straight into the woods and going and going... I suddenly realized as I was in thigh deep powder, unlike anywhere I'd been that day... and there were no tracks around me anywhere. It rocked but then it wasn't really safely skiable anymore as I wound up in frozen, snow covered brook... long story short, I wound up hiking out a good distance in pretty deep snow. That part was NOT FUN! Go on a closed trail, pay a price! I lost the back half of my ski day to snow hiking in ski boots, if I didn't have a camelback I might still be back there! I luckily saw a chair lift through the trees in the distance and wearily trudged that way. I thankfully came up to the Xcountry trail and at least was able to put the skis back on. Finally came up behind Big Chief... and got 3 last runs in!

Oh yeah, I saw a red fox in there too!

Even with the unplanned hike, I really had a blast and I'm def going back. I'm glad I know about that place now and can't believe I never did. At times, I was kind of stunned I was in the Catskills! I felt that way at PKill too, but that might of been the fresh 29"!

Scott K: You said Windham had more interesting terrain... How so? I thought Belleayre was pretty interesting! Granted, I could see in less snow if the glades weren't skiable and the bumps were hard as rocks where it might not be that interesting. Does Windham have glade trails like Belleayre?
post #14 of 21
Glad you liked Belleayre. Looks like you had awesome conditions their. Doesn't sound like you made it to Belleayre's west side to ride the Tomahawk fixed grip quad to ski Dot Nobel, the lift line under Tomahawk lift, Seneca, Peakamoose.

Those little adventures caused by a miss turns can be fun. I had a few drinks and got lost in the woods in St Anton Austria once. What an adventure being in a strange country, skiing by myself , lost, and skiing in an area designated for sledding not skiing. I wasn't really lost. I knew where I was headed. I just had no clue where I was.

I suggest completing the Catskills foursome by skiing at Windham mountain. Belleayre, Hunter, Plattekill, and Windham are all unique great places to ski.
post #15 of 21
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I did make it to the west side, late morning... Some of the runs were a little icier but I very much enjoyed under Thawk lift. I was planning on going back over there for a few more runs when I got a little ummm... detoured

I did PKill Powderdaize on the 15th... that was my 1st time there too. Loved it! It also made me realize I do need a deep snow ski in the quiver after all!

Not a huge Hunter fan... I get bored of that place pretty quick and don't enjoy all that switchback trail action they have so much of. Nonetheless, it was the place that got me back into skiing after a bit of a hiatus, so it has someplace in my heart...

I still want to try Windham... maybe early next week if it snows this wknd?
post #16 of 21
What I meant by more intersting (at least in my mind) is that more of the the trails tend to wind down the mountain as opposed to going straight down. I like trails like roaring brook and deer run etc....although these could be a little steeper/faster and they would be perfect!

I am not a speed junkie, my knees cannot take the bumps, etc... so I seek out the winding varying terrain moreso than steeps or bumps on staight runs.

Last year we skied Belleayre alot, I like it, don't get me wrong, I just got bored with it after the 4th/5th trip.

Another plus for Windham (for someone in my shoes) is that my kids are old enough now that they meet friends and want to ski alone. At Windham, "all roads lead to Rome." Eventually they will ski thier way down to the base lodge. This is not necessarily the case at Belleayre.

-Scott
post #17 of 21
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What I meant by more intersting (at least in my mind) is that more of the the trails tend to wind down the mountain as opposed to going straight down. I like trails like roaring brook and deer run etc....although these could be a little steeper/faster and they would be perfect!

I am not a speed junkie, my knees cannot take the bumps, etc... so I seek out the winding varying terrain moreso than steeps or bumps on staight runs.

Last year we skied Belleayre alot, I like it, don't get me wrong, I just got bored with it after the 4th/5th trip.

Another plus for Windham (for someone in my shoes) is that my kids are old enough now that they meet friends and want to ski alone. At Windham, "all roads lead to Rome." Eventually they will ski thier way down to the base lodge. This is not necessarily the case at Belleayre.

-Scott
My knees usually can't take the bumps either, but they were pillowy soft yesterday!

I could also see where kids/parents could easily get seperated there... I did after all wind up in the next town, or so I was told I could also certainly see where if the conditions weren't as good as they were yesterday, and after several visits like that, where the straight runs could get a bit boring...

Is the "winding," as you describe it, at Windham similar to the hard switchbacks at Hunter?
post #18 of 21
Not sure what you mean about the hard switchbacks, but they are similar to Belt Parkway @ Hunter. I do not like Hunter on weekends, if you can go midweek, it is probably the best around in terms of variety of runs. Weekdays it's empty and you can really enjoy what the mountain has to offer. Weekends are horrible. It's over-run by yahoos without any idea of ettiquette and in my opinion the ski patrol does a lousy job of keeping things under control, especially in areas where many runs merge like 7th ave/Broadway/Lower 42nd area.

-Scott
post #19 of 21
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Not sure what you mean about the hard switchbacks, but they are similar to Belt Parkway @ Hunter. I do not like Hunter on weekends, if you can go midweek, it is probably the best around in terms of variety of runs. Weekdays it's empty and you can really enjoy what the mountain has to offer. Weekends are horrible. It's over-run by yahoos without any idea of ettiquette and in my opinion the ski patrol does a lousy job of keeping things under control, especially in areas where many runs merge like 7th ave/Broadway/Lower 42nd area.

-Scott
I've only ever gone to Hunter midweek... I've heard it is an absolute madhouse on a weekend and don't think I need to experience that

That is what I meant about the switchbacks... I'm sure I'll give Hunter one day this season and I think I may give Windham a go next week.
post #20 of 21
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would be there right now but tweeked leg/hamstring and must take a day or 2 off and see if it gets better
Skidbump... How's the hammy???
post #21 of 21
ortho wed x-rays showed normal tenonitis on my IT BAND ...goin for MRI thurs at 645 pm...thinkin of hittin belleayre today for a few before i get the MRI
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