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Making Boots Fit Better for Cheap

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Age: 24
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 165 lbs
Equipment: '00-'01 Atomic Lite 7 boot, skis: '00-'01 Dynastar Speed Carve w/ Autodrive, '02 Dynastar Concept, '05 Line Chronic Wide

I know there are a ton of boot topics, but I wasn't sure if this fit anywhere. Right now my boots are Atomic Lite 7. I have been noticing some heel slip in my boots. When skiing on steep hard pack making big GS turns, I don't really notice the slip that much. However, on the end of the day runs when the snow gets very soft, I notice some heel slip when trying to power through heavy, loose snow. I was a PSIA instructor in high school and was able to order the boots off of a pro form. At the time, I didn't fully understand the importance of getting fitted properly. I wear a size 9.5 sneaker. The boots are supposed to be size 27, however, I have noticed that the shell says 27-27.5 while the liner says 26-26.5 (unless this refers to something else). The liner by itself feels tight when out of the boot. When I shell fit the boot, I have between 1.5cm-2cm between my heel and back of the shell.

I know the importance of spending money on boots, getting a custom fit, etc. However, as a current law student with undergrad and grad school loans, I just don't have money to spend right now on new boots or getting a lot of custom work done. I'm looking for some suggestions to possibly reduce my heel slip. My feet are pretty average in terms of width and arch. My boots don't cause any pain, so I'm not sure if a custom footbed would be worth the investment anyway. If there were some simple solutions that a shop could perform, I could spend money on that, or if there were any do-it-yourself options, that would be great too. Would it be helpful to use a higher-grade at home moldable footbed instead of stock? Would buying the beefier power straps help at all?
post #2 of 16
Here are a couple of cheap DIY ideas. Get a Bontex (stiff cardboard) pad, trim it to the shape of the bottom of the liner, slip it under the liner on top of the boot board. This will take up volume and prevent heel slip.

Find some dense foam and cut two (per boot) L-shaped pads, fit them so they run under the ankle bone and along the achiles to take up volume and lock down the heel.

You can get the bontex and foam from a bootfitter and DIY.
post #3 of 16
Whiteroom has some great suggestions. As for the footbed issue, there are some semi-custom products available (.e., Aline) that are reasonably good and (relatively) easy on the wallet. I think Alines are ~$50. IMHO, they do make a noticeable difference, but as always, YMMV
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
You can get the bontex and foam from a bootfitter and DIY.
Thanks for the suggestions so far guys. Is a bootfitter likely to sell materials? Will I have better luck online somewhere or through a non-ski shop that might sell similar materials?
post #5 of 16
bongo, PM bud heishman and see if he can help you with materials. You don't say where you live, but there may be someone close we could suggest, too.

Also, how do you have the forward lean set in the boots (don't remember if it's adjustable). Sometimes, excess forward lean can cause that slippage when your ankle is asked to flex farther than it can. In this case, padding it out won't help, and you need to somehow get the net forward flex of your ankle to be less.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
I live in Albany, NY. I'm going to stop in High Adventure Ski Board & Patio after classes tomorrow because I know they do boot fitting there. If I can't find materials there I'll send Bud a PM.

I'll check the forward flex too. There is a screw on the outside of the shell near the ankle that has a + and - on it. I'm not sure if there is a way to gauge what the forward flex is currently set at, but I'll try turning it towards the - and see how it feels.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by bongorific View Post
I live in Albany, NY. I'm going to stop in High Adventure Ski Board & Patio after classes tomorrow because I know they do boot fitting there. If I can't find materials there I'll send Bud a PM.

I'll check the forward flex too. There is a screw on the outside of the shell near the ankle that has a + and - on it. I'm not sure if there is a way to gauge what the forward flex is currently set at, but I'll try turning it towards the - and see how it feels.
I think the screw you are talking about is what bootmakers call the cant adjustment, not the flex adjustment. The so-called cant adjustment is used to center the boot cuff on your lower leg.
post #8 of 16
you can use anything for a replacement for bonex shims and can purchase mole skin at any pharmacy to make custom shaped pads for boots.A custom footbed will raise u up into heel pocket of boot.For about 150 Kieth at THe Pro Ski and ride at Hunter will get you into a custom footbed and address any other concerns you may have on fit and cant
post #9 of 16
9.5 sneaker - 27 shell. Sounds to me like the shell is too big. I'm a 11.5/12 shoe - 27 shell. It's snug but not too!

Darrell is great and he'll be straight with you.

Let us know what he says.
post #10 of 16
try this website..
They seem to have just about everything you would ever need to make your boots fit better at home...

http://www.tognar.com/boot_heater_wa...snowboard.html
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input folks. I ordered some supplies off Tognar. That's exactly the type of site I was looking for, and everything was pretty cheap. I'll give it a try for the rest of this season and maybe I'll be able to afford new boots and a fit next season.
post #12 of 16
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maybe I'll be able to afford new boots and a fit next season.
dont be silly, now is the time to buy.

most stuff still in stores is marked down like 40% right now.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by 740weapon View Post
dont be silly, now is the time to buy.

most stuff still in stores is marked down like 40% right now.
The least you can do is have a boot fitter shell size you. From what you have said, it sounds like that might be the problem. If it's way to big, don't waste time. Buy now while there is good inventory and low prices. Otherwise you will be buying during the off season and will have to wait for snow to tweek the fit.
post #14 of 16
Just found this thread.

I would look for another option to adding a bontex shim under your one boot liner unless that is your shorter leg as you will snug the boot up alright, however you will be changing leg length a bit.

You may want to try a tongue shim to push the foot more snuggly into the heel without changing leg length.

b
post #15 of 16
Bud, why would he only put a bontex pad under one foot? He doesn't say it just one foot he says his heels slip and he can not (or will not) spend money on different boots this year.

Are there better solutions? Absolutely. Getting boots that fit his foot better. The bontex solution is to help out a little for this year (in both boots).

He wanted a CHEAP fix.
post #16 of 16
ooops, my bad, didn't read accurately. Bontex shims are definitely the best option to snug up a boot lower even without consideration of cost!
carry-on!

b
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