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advice needed on kids tele bindings / boots

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
My daughter has gotten the bug after taking a lesson and spending an afternoon on the telemark skis. She's approx 5'2, 95 lbs and growing. Her rental setup was a pair of lightweight alpine skis with a fair amount of shape, 140cm; I don't recall the bindings; and Garmont boots 25.0.

I have a couple pair of older and fairly soft alpine skis that I'd like to set up with tele bindings and buy her a pair of boots, if I can do it cheaply on ebay (or similar sources). Either a kids slalom cut ski at 140 cm, again with a fair amount of shape, or a 148 cm with a little less sidecut; both are fairly lightweight foam core skis.

So a couple questions:

1 - Which ski to pick for the tele setup? My hunch is the 148 cm; it could last her longer since she's still growing. (FWIW She's on 148 cm in alpine skis and is used to a heavy, stiff race ski. )

2 - Binding advice? And advice re finding a shop to do the mount, either in NYC area or near a hill in the Berkshire / Catskills area? Can any shop mount tele bindings or does it take special expertise?

3 - Boot advice? Is a tight fit as important in tele as in alpine?

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by ts01 View Post

3 - Boot advice? Is a tight fit as important in tele as in alpine?

Thanks in advance.
I'm afix the heel fix the problem sort of guy, but I patrolled a place where many guys were switching to tele. The consensus was a looser fitting boot than your Alpine boots was better.
post #3 of 13
Here's some Binding Mount templates & info links, including a binding activeness comparison chart. I find mounting very straight forward and have had good luck with 'optimal position for free heel' approach.

I like a tighter fit, myself, especially with thermo fit liners.

I've got some Rivas on my 60 lber's skis with good luck so far, but a more active binding will shorten the learning curve I'll bet.

HTH
post #4 of 13
If you go to the Sierra Trading Post web site and search for "telemark boots" they have two or three models of women's Garmont tele boots in sizes from 23 through 26 at pretty good prices. They are all new boots but models that are a year or two old.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone, I"ll check out STP for boots.

Alpinord - what does a "more active binding" mean? On ebay I see a lot of voile, hot chili (?), and G3; any comments on those in terms of what's "active" or not? I'd guess I should avoid a "race" binding and should consider boot size since some seem to fit only a particular size range; other than that what else to look for
post #6 of 13
The link from telebindings.com has an excellent description along with the Activeness Chart. I equate activeness to also helping to hold the heel down. More force is need to raise the rear skis heel. It helps to for 'Telepining' and snaps the skis back faster during lead changes and helps more with driving the ski and keeping you in the driver's seat.

A few years ago, the G3 Targa was the most active 'bad boy' out there. Now it's down the list and even considered neutral per this chart. : I have an old pair of Red Hot Chilis and now ski on the Targas which are plenty active for me by comparison (along with Scarpa T2x's). The Red Hot Chilis may be fine for your daughter's weight and cheaper for starting out.

Black Diamond has some the women's T2x in a 22.5 left.

HTH
post #7 of 13
Get safety release bindings, my favorite is the Voilé CRB with three pin and hardwire, an "active" binding. Don't get too hung up on the active vs. neutral debate. Active is better I guess, but it's not a big deal in my opinion. Safety release is as important for nordic downhill as it is for alpine downhill skiing.

Go with the 140s, more shape is important for eastern skiers. Sidecut is essential for carving on teles. Remember she can't apply significant pressure to the shovel of her skis with the free heel. Out west they ski deep snow all the time and don't care about carving, but eastern freeheelers carve trenches and there's nothing wrong that. The length might be a little short, but when she goes into her split, the distance from her lead tip and rear tail is going to add at least 30cm to the overall length of her skis which will compensate for short length. I'm over 6 feet tall and use 163s, no problems.

Boots that fit snug, yes. Alpine racer fit (ie. two sizes too small), no.

Any shop SHOULD be able to mount them, but make sure they put her foot EXACTLY where it would go on her alpine skis (ball of foot on center of running surface is what I recommend). Make sure they don't mount "pins chord center" which is appropriate for 200cm cross country skis, not modern short carvers.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks folks. I couldn't find a safety release if I had to on a tele binding but I sure like the sound of it, so Voile CRB 3-pin sounds good. Does the 3-pin refer to a specific boot interface (sounds like the x-c binding when I was a kid)? Or is it like alpine boots where any boot will work with any binding?

Also from the chart on telebindings.com it looks like the Karhu 7TM Power or Powertour would be a good choice as a releaseable, active binding. True? Any thoughts on this one?
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Also another question - is the Karhu Sirius an OK boot? Price at STP is within my range ... http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,...For-Women.html
post #10 of 13
Looks like the Sirius is more of a touring boot that would be more compatible with a Riva or other light duty cable or three pin binding. With your daughter at less than 100 lbs, I think the activeness is less of an issue than a little stiffer boot. The 7tms are nice bindings and i would think the DIN setting would go down to at least a 4.

If you click on the Backcountry.com link below and then perform a 'telemark' search, you'll find other gear options and deals.
post #11 of 13
http://www.voile-usa.com/telebcjump.html

CRB means complete releaseable binding (named to differentiate from non-release binding coupled with the release plate shown towards the bottom of this page. I prefer the performance of the Hardwire 3pin CRB over the Hardwire CRB because it clamps the duckbill down, makes it easier to pressure ball of rear foot, as opposed to tipping up on toes.

Yes it's a classic three pin clamp, but heavy duty, fits thicker sole than the wire bails ytou remember. Your daughter could use those boots with a CRB but to power an alpine ski, she should have a bigger boot. At minimum something like Garmont Excursion or Scarpa T3.
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I'm starting to get it. Basic question though is will any telemark boot fit a 3-pin binding? Or do you get a specific 3-pin compatible boot to go with a 3-pin binding?
post #13 of 13
The thick sole of telemark boots will not fit in the old three pin bindings that you remember on cross country skis, but almost all telemark boots will fit in telemark 3pin bindings. I think that there maybe a few recent models that lack the pin holes. The NTN boot/binding system scheduled to hit the market soon will feature boots that do not not have duckbills or pinholes. The binding and boots will not be compatable with any existing telemark boots/bindings.
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