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I hate thieves !!!!

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have a few choice words for the low lifes that broke into my truck the other evening.They Fing low lifes got my back pack full of ski gear.Helmet goggles,sunglasses,hat,2 pair of gloves,extra polerfleece jacket and vest,leatherman tool and swiss army knife that i have had for at least 15 years.Oh and my brand new chapstick!Well for the police report I listed all the items that were in my pack and to my surprise The total of the items was over $1,000.00.Now most of this stuff I bought at end of the year sales or at ski swaps,so my real out of pocket wasn't that much.But still I now have to replace all this gear and I am pissed!Oh well it could have been worse I could have left my skis in the Truck for the SOB's to steal.One of the few down sides of living in a ski town is theft. Police told me that auto break in's are at the highest rate ever here in Park City.Ok Thats my rant for the day.
post #2 of 22
That sucks.

Somehow, theft is more painful when the items stolen are used for recreation. It as if people are trying to steal your lifestyle and not just your items -- and that's more painful.

I'd suggest going out and skiing asap, and show those punks what separates people like you from them.
post #3 of 22
That hurts. I had my hired skiis stolen outside a (mountain)restaurant in Tignes last year while I was having lunch. -
Rather than feel anger I felt hurt.... That a skier/boarder could stoop so low broke a few boundaries for me... (Non skiers/boarders stick out like a sore thumb mid mountain at that time of year).
So that means...... well what does that mean? Like I said, It hurts.
post #4 of 22
It is sad that people will take gear from people, my brother lost all of his ski clothing and a ski bag one year because some kid from a ski club decided that he needed to upgrade his equipement. My poor little brother even lost his lunch with his bags, poor kid was only 10 at the time i think. I myself had a pair of poles stolen once from a demo tent while i was getting demo skis, but it wasnt too bad because at the end of the day the person returned my poles to where they had taken them from, but it still was a hassle finding a pair of poles for the day. I feel for ya man, thats really bad especially out of your car, like adding insult to injury. Good luck getting your stuff replaced, might want to look into getting a season locker if its possible. It's sad that we have to lock our things up, but if thats what you gotta do...

pray for some snow for the east, like 4 or so feet... (at this point thats being pretty greedy i know).
post #5 of 22
I had a ski stolen at Killington 13 years ago but I managed to get to the other ski and put it in the car before they found it (I used to split our skis up). After two hours of hunting (for the ski & the perp) I found it under straw at the lift motor house... inside job?

The Killington management would not call the police and later the police refused to take a report.

Imagine what the crime statistics would look like if they did file reports on stolen items! I bet they would beat the Bronx and Brooklyn combined.

The next time this happens (hopefully it won't), I intend to sue the town for malfeasance (official misconduct). :
post #6 of 22
That sucks Utah. When I lived in P.C. we never locked the doors to our house and left the keys in our cars. Progress?
post #7 of 22
Yuki, that's about the 3rd time I've heard that about killington management.

Blackcomb has video recorders installed by the cafeterias. They also have cops on snowboards patrolling. So if someone is going to steal equipment, they better smile for the cameras.

At least this should clear up any confusion about crime being caused b poverty. Anyone who can afford a lift ticket is not exactly poor.
post #8 of 22

I have some suspicion that there are very organized folks who make a living doing this.

I suspect that they mix & match some of the skis and bindings for resale in shops and on E-Bay.

One "couple" on E-Bay had a lot of top end ski equipment for sale as well as top end "slightly used" marine (yacht) type electronics...... lots of the stuff ... of the type that is commonly stolen.
post #9 of 22
Uh huh! Acess to a computer to sell the stuff on e-bay hardly indicates an economically deprived person.

Unfortunately, until we stop viewing theft {or any other sort of crime for that matter} as the result of some sort of economic oppression, we will never put an end to it.

Utah, I am sorry to hear of this. Hopefully, you will remain the skier with the biggest smile! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #10 of 22
I don't trust anybody with my quiver. I'm with Lisa -- good looking people with money are losers too...

I always lock my skis -- even at mid mountain. My ski rack locks and I never leave anything of value in my car.

People at Vail are always looking at me like, "What. You don't trust people here"? I'm like, hell friggin no!
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
Yes as Park City grows so so does the crime.I still feel a lot safer here then I would a lot of other places.The sad fact is that many of the temporary employees that are here just for the ski season don't have a sense of community.So stealing from a local is no big deal to them.There is an attitude that if you live in Park City then you must be rich so that somehow justfies thier actions.The truth is, is that Park City Has a large working class population.For a resort "ski town" this place is still relatively affordable.Oh we do have our share of the upper crust and even a few of the upper upper crust.I'm not by any means rich.Like a good many other skiers I have to save for new gear and then buy it on sale.
Most resort towns don't want to admit that there is crime in thier city.After all people go on vacation to get away from things like that.They want to project th image of some ideal mountain enviroment.A winter wonderland.So I am not suprised that some resorts discourage people from reporting theft.However crime here is reported and posted every week in the Park Record newspaper.
The police also know that a lot of low lifes from Salt Lake City come up the Canyon looking for something to get thier hands on. They find some items that were stolden from The Park City Area in SLC pawn shops. Stealing Snowblowers are one of the big items this year.
My point here is that when you go on your ski vacation remember that no matter how charming the town or how beautiful the Mountain,or how friendly the locals. Take the time to protect your hard earned gear.Have fun and enjoy visit.I hate hearing of someones time here in Park City ruined by thieves.It reflects poorly on the town and we take a lot of pride in our town.I know that other people living in other ski twons feel the same way.They are proud of thier Mountains and town.thieves take away not only your personal property,They also take our sense of security and trust.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ok this is the last word from me on this subject. Check out my post in the gear section on my new helmet [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 22
Utah does your car have any kind of alarm? Just curious as i will be going to Killington and will leave one pair of ski's inside my SUV but it has Alpine alarm system, wonder if i should worry?

Yuki when you had one ski stolen was it locked up with some type of lock?
post #14 of 22
So where was China o'Brien when all this was going on? Didn't she clean up your town?
post #15 of 22
I'm gonna probably catch a lot of hell from you guys for bringing this up, but imagine the problems snowboarders must have? Pretty much anybody can ride any snowboard-binding combination in just seconds. I wonder if snowboard theft is a bigger problem these days than ski theft? Another reason I'm glad I'm not a snowboarder.
post #16 of 22

No lock that day. I split the skis and placed my wifes old beat skis "face side out".

Last spring at Killington my son forgot the locks and I figured that was no big deal, I would just buy a lock in the shop at the hill. Another error..... the shop at the hill didn't sell locks. :

I would not leave my skis in an SUV where a perp can get an eyeball on them.
post #17 of 22
Almost every snowboarder has had one stolen.
post #18 of 22
I don't think I will ever understand those who succumb to the moral depravity of theft and how it is routinely marginalized by others. There is a collective lack of shame which would do well, in my opinion, towards correcting theft problems.

I think it starts when we decide (as a society) that some crimes are "victimless" and thus more acceptable - embezzling/white collar crime come to mind. From there, I believe it is not a far jump for a thief to claim that although not victim-less, the person was less of a victim because the victim can afford, or has insured, the loss, or because the amount was "minor" - by some twisted measure. I know a fellow whoembezzled several hundred thousand dollars from his company, through the payroll system. He was caught and convicted, went to jail and then sued his employer for his 401k money - much of which was a portion of the stolen money. He showed no remorse and generally didn't seem to see the theft as a big deal.

Almost worse to me are the people who steal the little things. I had a neighbor who used to steal my sunday paper every week - a complete violation of the social compact. It went on for a while, but I eventually fixed his wagon (that's another story, though). It bothered me terribly that this fellow saw fit to steal from me for the sum of a dollar a week and a walk across the street. He apparently thought that this theft of a "little thing" was acceptable. For me, it runs in reverse, the person who will sacrifice their reputation and accept the label of "thief" over a single buck would be more than happy to steal much more from you if he thought he could get away with it.

Unfortunately, thieves come in all shapes, colors and sizes. They are like us, but lack something - I don't know exactly what - an understanding of community I guess - and that can afflict anyone - a Grinch. Maybe the scarlet letter wasn't an entirely bad idea.

Anyway, off the soapbox,

post #19 of 22
These people suck. Probably the same people who stole my stereo! I believe in karma, they will get theirs! Did they get your beacon, maybe they will try backcountry skiing?
post #20 of 22
Ski theft could be deterred if the ski areas gave a sh@#. Mt. Ashland had a real problem with thefts a few years back. They did the usual things like posting warning signs and encouraging the use of the ski corral. That is where most ski areas stop.

Mt. Ashland decided more needed to be done & made the extra effort. They installed video cameras in areas most people put their skis. They started putting decoy skis & boards in areas where most of the thefts occurred. They also dedicated resources to ski & board security. Finally, they aggressively prosecuted every theft they caught & encouraged people that had stuff stole to do the same. Because of their efforts the number of ski & board thefts were way down the last year I skied there.
post #21 of 22
I've never really had to worry much about ski theft in the past because my skis were all too short for the average skier (160cm). But now with everyone going short, I guess I better pick up a couple extra ski locks

Maybe the manufacturers can come up with something similar to what they have done with car stereo systems (ie. detachable face plates). You could remove part of the ski and put it in your pocket. Well, maybe its not that practical for skis, but it's a thought anyways.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 05:00 PM: Message edited 1 time, by wizard ]</font>
post #22 of 22
ski areas wash all blame and responsibility by posting signs everywhere saying "we are not responsible for lost or stolen items." and they are correct in this, it's everyone's own responsibility to protect their property. however, i think it would be much more customer friendly if ski areas put a camera over the ski coral and posted a friendly but watchful representative near the corals. also, for the police not to take a report on stolen property is not only wrong, but i'm sure violates some document saying that it is their duty to do so.

that said, i skied at killington this past sunday for the first time. i've never been so glad to have my lock with me... lots of shadey types at that place. $5 lock for $500 skis; makes sense to me.

RE: theft in general. there is no such thing as a victimless crime. even white collar... you steal money from a business, you take away potential raise money, supplies, profit which can translate into stock drops, etc. i manage retail, and you better believe that the person making the 5 finger discount is causing raises in the products you pay! trust me, margins go up because of theft.

it sucks, but in the world of the have's and have nots and freedom, there will always be theft. we can only guard ourselves as best we can and be alert... and even that isn't enough sometimes.
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