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Compliments of Patrol??

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
A buddy and I will be skiing Utah for the first time next week. Alta, Snowbird, Snowbasin and Solitude.

My question is this......Is it possible to ask Patrol to guide us into un-known terrain?? Is it proper?? For example, Honeycomb Canyon. Would Patrol be happy to take a run with us at Solitude?? Or if we asked for Patrol to take us down a nice tree run that we would oterwise miss??

We have never used Patrol in this way. Don't know if it is out of the question or not??

Please don't slam me for asking if I am out of line and thanks for the replies!!
post #2 of 21
I'm sure they would point you in the right direction if you asked them for some guidance but I wouldn't expect them to be your guide. Now, if you're an attractive female...
post #3 of 21
It depends if they are busy or bored, and where you are heading. At Mt. Bachelor I would frequently end up leading expeditions off the back side. The terrain is not open that often and pretty much unmarked, and people were always peering over the edge wondering where it lead. If I had time I would often volunteer to lead them around, particularly if they were decent skiers who belonged back there. Conversely, I would sometimes lead rank beginners down the easiest route.

In Fernie there are Mt. Hosts who will do the same, though I sometimes tell people looking for a way to follow me if they are trying to find a safe and good route.

It is my experience that you will do better asking a volunteer patrol than a full time person. The people out there every day are busier, and get in more than enough skiing.
post #4 of 21
If you want a guided skiing experience, contact the ski school ahead of time and book an instructor / guide. Private companies like Exum Guides are also available to be booked. Hooking up with the local patrol is unlikely unless you know someone, serve on a patrol elsewhere or have some other influence. Some ski resorts do provide a patroller to guide backcountry and provide basic safety training. Sierra at Tahoe here provides ski patrol as backcountry guides and training. Kirkwood has instructors at its Expedition ski school available. Bob Peters could tell you about JH tours. I suspect Alta / SB is similar.
post #5 of 21
Ski patrol is not much help. No matter what you tell them, they will assume that you are a tourist, and that you belong on the blue groomers, if not in the beginner area. Usually they will send you the easy way down, but they will describe it as if it were the steepest spot on earth.
SKi school is a little better. If you can show them that you can ski, an instructor might take you to the steepest marked trails, or even point to the spots the locals hike to.
Like Cirquerider said, the best bet is a specialized clinic for steep terrain, or a guide service, but you still need to show them you can ski.

BK
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post
Ski patrol is not much help. No matter what you tell them, they will assume that you are a tourist, and that you belong on the blue groomers, if not in the beginner area. Usually they will send you the easy way down, but they will describe it as if it were the steepest spot on earth.
BK
Nice generalization! Where did you get your data for that? No patroller is going to send you off to challenge your limits but we have nothing against helping good skiers find appropriate terrain.
post #7 of 21
Ski patrol is not much help. No matter what you tell them, they will assume that you are a tourist, and that you belong on the blue groomers, if not in the beginner area. Usually they will send you the easy way down, but they will describe it as if it were the steepest spot on earth.
BK


Bode, pull your head out of your arse.

Example, Sun. morning, I was working at the top of Lone Peak. We were open to sign people out for them to ski the N. Summit of Lone peak.

2 guys came in to the shack, had the proper gear, (beacon shovel & probes) and the correct ticket (a Lone Peak Pass). I asked them if they had skied the N. Summit before. They said no.

I was happy to take them down their first time, we stopped and I pointed out the various landmarks and choices they could make. I think they enjoyed themselves.

This was on Presidents day weekend, the busiest day of our season.

If you want to make generalizations about patrollers, feel free, but on this one you are wrong.
post #8 of 21
Not a lot of real backcountry here...but like most patrols we have a few "secrets". Usually old abandoned trails or logging paths that are "interesting". IF the snow conditions are safe and IF the trails aren't specifically closed off and IF the curious person looks like they know what they're doing...we might give them a tip (and better we know) or even go with them. Mostly it comes down to the busy vs. bored thing...this is a job after all...and if you interrupt a patroller doing something moderately or very important you're not likely to get very much help in this regard. But...nothing ventured, nothing gained.

ny patroller
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies.

Nice job bunion!! I bet you really made their day.

I guess the reason I asked is this..... We are both decent skiers that have never skied Utah before. Obviously there is A LOT of terrain we would like to ski......however, those are some BIG mountains. Who better to show you around a bit than a Patroller. I would put a lot more trust in a Patroller than a local (Glen Plake!!) you meet on the lift.

Well then, thanks. If we see a Patroller sitting on a bench soaking in the rays, we'll ask for a run.
post #10 of 21
So what day will you be at snowbasin?
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
zion.....Will be at Snowbasin either Friday March 2 or Monday March 6.

What order would you ski these 4 mountains......
Alta (Thursday)
Solitude (Friday)
Snowbird (Sunday)
Snowbasin (Monday)

This is our "plan". Could change. Looks like some snow in the coming week.

Would you like to show us around one of these days??
Snowbasin's trail map looks confusing. Don't know where to start at that hill?? Any tips??
post #12 of 21
Sugar,

I would reverse Solitude and Snowbird. I will be at Solitude on Saturday.

Springs
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post
Well then, thanks. If we see a Patroller sitting on a bench soaking in the rays, we'll ask for a run.
Good luck with that. With as much snow is expected over the next week, 1). I don't think we'll see many rays and 2). Ski patrol will most likely will be busting their humps doing snow safety work.

My advice, let Ski Patrol do their jobs, and if you want a guide, go to ski school. That's in our job description....
post #14 of 21
Bunion

Would you be kind enough to answer a couple of questions about the N. Summit of Lone Peak. I see it on the Moonlight Basin map.

1. Is it as steep and the Bib Coulior and the Gullies?
2. Does the northernly facing help keep the snow in better shape than the south face?
3. And last, it looks like it takes you far from the tram so that it would take several lifts to get back to do it again. True?
4. Comment. When I get back to BS I will ski it for sure.;

Thanks

PM me if you want.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by skugrud View Post
Bunion

Would you be kind enough to answer a couple of questions about the N. Summit of Lone Peak. I see it on the Moonlight Basin map.

1. Is it as steep and the Bib Coulior and the Gullies?

In places, yes. It is more a route finding thng that steepness

2. Does the northernly facing help keep the snow in better shape than the south face?

It can, but north winds can also play hell on the snow quality.

3. And last, it looks like it takes you far from the tram so that it would take several lifts to get back to do it again. True?

3 lifts will get you back to, the bottom of the tram.

Up Six-Shooter, ski to SwiftCurrent, up SwiftCurrent, ski to the Lone Peak Triple, up that to the tram...

4. Comment. When I get back to BS I will ski it for sure.;

Thanks

PM me if you want.
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post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
Lonnie.....could you be more specific about what is in your job description??

We would be willing to Tip. We would not be willing to Hire.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post

zion.....Will be at Snowbasin either Friday March 2 or Monday March 6.
Sugaree, a Snowbasin patroller just made an implied offer to show you around his resort a little bit. I would DEFINITELY take him up on that via pm. :

Snowbasin is such a great mountain and zzz has a fantastic knowledge of it.

Here in JH, I think that about the only way you'd ever luck into having a patroller show you some runs is to ride up a lift with one and then just ask. You never know and it can't hurt to ask the question. You would probably at least get some good suggestions.

One thing I can tell you: if you are successful at any resort in getting a patroller to show you some skiing, drop by the patrol office at the end of the day and deliver a couple of six packs of good beer with that patroller's name on it. Excellent karma.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post
Lonnie.....could you be more specific about what is in your job description??

We would be willing to Tip. We would not be willing to Hire.
I'm your run of the mill part time ski instructor, with all of the duties that entails. I think that my bosses would frown upon tipping without hiring (they would see it as a direct payment to me).
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Bob Peters....Thanks for being 'in the know' and sharing.

Sounds like the next best thing to having Bob Peters show skiers around Jackson Hole!!

This truly is fantastic forum. Where is the link for donations?? It's time.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Donation has been made.

Thanks for the help, everyone!!
post #21 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
if you are successful at any resort in getting a patroller to show you some skiing, drop by the patrol office at the end of the day and deliver a couple of six packs of good beer with that patroller's name on it. Excellent karma.
That is very good advice. They can often be seen out of uniform, after everyone is safely off the mountain, drinking it in the parking lot and swapping tales of the day.
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