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Help! who's telling me the "truth"?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I know, truth is subjective when it comes to ski boots. I have been trying on some boots, and now I'm confused.

Right now I'm in a Salomon Evolution 8 from 99/00. My feet are B width, so these are just too wide. Now that they are packed out, it's getting quite sloppy. I'm an advanced skier, 36, female, 5'9" 132lb (+ or - a couple). I have custom orthotics.

I've tried Nordica W8 W, Lange Comp 100 W, Lange CRL 70 W. One guy says the 70s are stiff enough for my build. Another says they aren't stiff enough for my skiing. One guy says the Nordicas are too wide, the other says they'll fit my foot fine. One says the Nordica liners will pack out too fast. (He didn't seem thrilled with the boot.)

I want to try the Lange 80s, but haven't found my size yet. I also need to try the Nordicas in a lower size, I think. The 70s fit great, but I'm worried about the flex. The Comp 100s hurt one of my feet, but felt good on the other (they were the same size as the 70s).

I guess I'm asking this: will the 70s be enough boot for a tall, lightweight but aggressive skier? How do they compare to the Evolution 8s in stiffness? What about the stiffness of the W8? Should I try to find a W10?
post #2 of 20
I've been through the boot drill alot in the last year. First, if your Solli boots are too wide, the Nordica will be wider yet. I'd start off with the Lange which will be thinner and go from there. As to the Lange's I think the Comp 100's would most fit your ability level if you can get the right fit. A good bootfitter will accomplish this with ease. The 70 & 80 are below you in my opinion. My 9 year old son is 5'4" and around 105 lbs and he wears the Comp 80 in an adult 26. It's stiff for him, but he flexes it fine. I'd try the 100's again, see what you think, and get the bootfitter's opinion on fit. Again, if you think your Rossi's are wide, the Nordicas aren't an option in my experience.
post #3 of 20
A good boot fitter should be able to look at your feet and then recommend a boot for you. That is how my boot fitter does it. You should not walk into a shop saying I want this boot. The boot fitter will tell you which boot will work best for you.

You should use the boot fitters guide on this site to find a good fitter in your area. The fitter will ask all the right questions before recommending a boot.
post #4 of 20
Nordica is too wide.

IMO, the 70 and 80 are not enough boot.

What kind of pain do you have in the one foot? Do you think a day's skiing would pack out the liners enough? I've heard anywhere from 1/8 to 1/2 size after a single days use. I'd guess the 1/2 size is for lower end cushy recreational boots.

Are you fitting them with your old orthotics?
Bootfitter claims that conformables can last through 2 pairs or boots ( avg 300 visits ).
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks very much for your replies.

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I've been through the boot drill alot in the last year. First, if your Solli boots are too wide, the Nordica will be wider yet. I'd start off with the Lange which will be thinner and go from there. As to the Lange's I think the Comp 100's would most fit your ability level if you can get the right fit. A good bootfitter will accomplish this with ease. The 70 & 80 are below you in my opinion. My 9 year old son is 5'4" and around 105 lbs and he wears the Comp 80 in an adult 26. It's stiff for him, but he flexes it fine. I'd try the 100's again, see what you think, and get the bootfitter's opinion on fit. Again, if you think your Rossi's are wide, the Nordicas aren't an option in my experience.
The Nordicas feel narrower than the Salomons, but I think it's the cushy liner. And from what I hear, the liner will pack out fast. I'm pretty sure I've scratched them.

The 100s vs the 80s (I finally found some): the 80s fit better. The fitter said they have a tiny little bit more room in them, and I can tell.

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A good boot fitter should be able to look at your feet and then recommend a boot for you. That is how my boot fitter does it. You should not walk into a shop saying I want this boot. The boot fitter will tell you which boot will work best for you.

You should use the boot fitters guide on this site to find a good fitter in your area. The fitter will ask all the right questions before recommending a boot.
I didn't make myself clear; I was told what boots would fit my foot. I only decided "what I wanted to try" when I found that out, and the shop didn't have the right boot in the right size.

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What kind of pain do you have in the one foot? Do you think a day's skiing would pack out the liners enough? I've heard anywhere from 1/8 to 1/2 size after a single days use. I'd guess the 1/2 size is for lower end cushy recreational boots.

Are you fitting them with your old orthotics?
Bootfitter claims that conformables can last through 2 pairs or boots
Well, I suspect it had something to do with the lack of orthotics. The left foot (which is actually the narrower one) was red around the instep and arch, and then on the side all the way from the pinkie toe down to the heel. I wish I knew how much the boot would pack out.

My orthotics are too long to fit into the boots I'm trying now. I can trim them when I buy, but I don't want to yet. I'm sure it's no coincidence that the boots that fit the best were from the shop that put in a stock orthotic. But those were the 70s, and I'm not convinced that's enough boot.

I also found a Dalbello CRX Impulse, and that may be at the top of the list right now.

Thanks again!
post #6 of 20
The important thing is to make sure you fit the shell properly. This is not just length but width and instep height as well. A basic rule of thumb bootfitting is you always fit to the smaller foot not the larger since you can always stretch a shell but never shrink one. Put your foot in the shell with the orthotic and see how much room you have beside the forefoot to the shell. 4 to 8mm is good. Touching both sides at once is doable and pressed on both sides is doable but lots of work and never going to be a 'comfort fit'. 10-20 mm over the instep is good. If you have a bony protrusion on top of your foot you may need to soften the tongue in that area but that's easily done.

The comp 100W will have a little higher cuff then the CRL which might be good if you have a low and/or bulky calf.

As for flex that can be subjective and personal. If you fit the evolution badly you may find the boot harder to flex then a boot you fit into better. You could always go with the stiffer boot (80 or 90) and soften it. That can be as easy as pulling the bolt out of the back but there are other options to soften more. It's easier to soften a boot then stiffen it. Get in the boot and flex it. Make sure you can move the boot a reasonable amount and keep in mind that cold will make it a little stiffer. Some people like a boot stiffer but generally you're better to be in too soft a boot then too stiff also remember it's easier to soften then stiffen.

Fitting to the shell is important because the liners are notorious for being significantly smaller then the shell especially toe box width in Langes as well as length and somewhat for width.
post #7 of 20
Have you considered making an appointment with Jeff Bergeron? He's on Airport Rd in Breck, about a mile before town.
post #8 of 20
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Originally posted by dp:
Have you considered making an appointment with Jeff Bergeron? He's on Airport Rd in Breck, about a mile before town.
Absolutely agree! You're this close to him, there's really no reason not to go visit him. Take an hour, visit him to get his input on your current boots and your thoughts, and hear what he has to say about the best boots for you.

His work on my boots have been one of the keys to vast improvement in my skiing this year. PM me if you need his contact information.
post #9 of 20
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Originally posted by segbrown:
I also found a Dalbello CRX Impulse, and that may be at the top of the list right now.
Study the flex pattern well before you buy! I have the mens CRX and replaced it. They flexed poorly, soft at first to a hard stop, then asked my leg to bend where no joint existed while the whole shell deformed ...got worse when they were cold.

Food for thought...
post #10 of 20
Nordica is adding a softer woman's boot to the Doberman line for next season. Still using the low volume lasts.
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks again -- I just might go up to Breck and do that. It's been in the back of my mind, but somehow it just seems, oh, indulgent. But what the hell ....

In the meantime, what is the best solution for padding the Evos? Should I put something under the footbed to decrease volume, or is there a better way?

Regarding the Dalbello -- thanks for the warning. How exactly does one "study the flex pattern"?
post #12 of 20
It won't hurt to try adding a flat insole under either your orthotic or taped to the underside of the liner.

The top bootfitter in a store I frequent claims that many companies do this:

Shell and liner only gives mondopoint size XX.5. Shell, liner and flat insert to take up volume gives mondopoint XX.0!

I did this myself with an old set of boots that were far too wide and packed out... It worked well enough to make it through the last half of the season.
post #13 of 20
What are your feet telling you?
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil Pugliese:
What are your feet telling you?
They are telling me not to get another boot that is going to be too big. My problem is that I've never had a boot that didn't end up being too big (common problem, I know) -- so I'm trying to figure out what to look for. I know it should feel tight in the store, but how tight?

I think I'm going to go ahead and trim up my orthotics a little bit so I can try on boots with them inside. I am not sure I can properly judge if I'm not wearing them.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by L7:
.....The comp 100W will have a little higher cuff then the CRL which might be good if you have a low and/or bulky calf. ...

I'm a little confused -- the Comp 100 would be good if I have a low/bulky calf, or the CRL? Actually, I have the opposite of a low and bulky calf. My ankle just above my ankle bone is 7.75 in. around. My calf is 13 in. at its widest diameter, which is about 13 in. off the ground. I don't know if these measurements mean anything, but that's what they are.

Actually, I noticed that the CRL cuff was lower. I felt a little exposed. Where should the cuff come? I have pretty long legs, so should I go for a higher boot?

Boy, the questions never end ...
post #16 of 20
When someone here on the east coast asks me about boots, I send them to Ray at the Basin (Killington). I don't send them to The Basin. Ray is great. He is like a Doctor. He has helped me and many that I ski with. It seems like dp has a recommendation that is local and similar. Take him up on the offer.
post #17 of 20
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Originally posted by segbrown:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by L7:
.....The comp 100W will have a little higher cuff then the CRL which might be good if you have a low and/or bulky calf. ...

I'm a little confused -- the Comp 100 would be good if I have a low/bulky calf, or the CRL? Actually, I have the opposite of a low and bulky calf. My ankle just above my ankle bone is 7.75 in. around. My calf is 13 in. at its widest diameter, which is about 13 in. off the ground. I don't know if these measurements mean anything, but that's what they are.

Actually, I noticed that the CRL cuff was lower. I felt a little exposed. Where should the cuff come? I have pretty long legs, so should I go for a higher boot?

Boy, the questions never end ...
</font>[/quote]That is a bit confusing how I wrote it. The low cuff is good if you have a low bulky calf muscle.
The cuff should come to where you're comfortable with it but should not be getting involved with the calf muscle. You don't want the boot to push you too far forward and if you have a relatively long tibia length compared to femur you need to watch out for being pushed forward too much.

When you say you have pretty long legs are you being vain and saying nice looking and long legs or just fairly long legs? This is also written a little confusing.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by L7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by segbrown:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by L7:
.....The comp 100W will have a little higher cuff then the CRL which might be good if you have a low and/or bulky calf. ...

I'm a little confused -- the Comp 100 would be good if I have a low/bulky calf, or the CRL? Actually, I have the opposite of a low and bulky calf. My ankle just above my ankle bone is 7.75 in. around. My calf is 13 in. at its widest diameter, which is about 13 in. off the ground. I don't know if these measurements mean anything, but that's what they are.

Actually, I noticed that the CRL cuff was lower. I felt a little exposed. Where should the cuff come? I have pretty long legs, so should I go for a higher boot?

Boy, the questions never end ... </font>[/quote]That is a bit confusing how I wrote it. The low cuff is good if you have a low bulky calf muscle.
The cuff should come to where you're comfortable with it but should not be getting involved with the calf muscle. You don't want the boot to push you too far forward and if you have a relatively long tibia length compared to femur you need to watch out for being pushed forward too much.

When you say you have pretty long legs are you being vain and saying nice looking and long legs or just fairly long legs? This is also written a little confusing.
</font>[/quote]Touche!

As to the boots: all the information has been great. You're right about the cuffs, and everyone was also right about the 70 and 80 being the wrong boots.

I was lucky enough to find a shop today that had nothing but higher-performance ladies boots, so I was able to try on several and compare. Lo and behold, I found THE BOOT: Atomic CR 10 W. It's very similar to the fit of the Lange Comp 100, but a little roomier in the toe area, which was a problem with the Lange. The Lange would have been okay, but it would have taken quite a bit of work. I'm sure I would have been miserable for a few days.

I might still be miserable, but I'm pretty confident that this is the one to start with. Apparently (and maybe someone can confirm this?) the last in the CR 10 (and the other classic fit -- not wide fit -- Atomics) is the same as the Lange last except for a slightly more generous toe box. The boots seemed quite similar except that the Atomic was much less, uh, intense.
post #19 of 20
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Originally posted by segbrown:
Touche!

is the same as the Lange last except for a slightly more generous toe box. The boots seemed quite similar except that the Atomic was much less, uh, intense. [/QB]
I wasn't trying to one up you.... I just thought that was a fun observation. By the way you didn't answer the question

I wouldn't say 'same last' but they are similar for sure. I skied Lange for years and now ski Atomic. I might have steered you there but you seemed to be deciding between the new Langes.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by L7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by segbrown:
Touche!

is the same as the Lange last except for a slightly more generous toe box. The boots seemed quite similar except that the Atomic was much less, uh, intense.
I wasn't trying to one up you.... I just thought that was a fun observation. By the way you didn't answer the question

I wouldn't say 'same last' but they are similar for sure. I skied Lange for years and now ski Atomic. I might have steered you there but you seemed to be deciding between the new Langes. [/QB]</font>[/quote]You're right -- good observation. And had I meant the former, I would have put a comma after "pretty." [img]smile.gif[/img]

I was choosing between the Langes because to that point, I hadn't found anything else that fit. Xwave 8 -- too big. Technica Icon DP -- better, but still too big. Nordica W8 or W10 -- never found the right size, but it sounded like it wasn't going to work anyway. Dalbello CRX -- fit pretty darn good, but I didn't like the bulky shell.
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