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Salomon Falcon 10 Forward Lean

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm in the Falcon10 from Salomon and love the fit and flex - As with prior Salomon's, however, I find the forward lean to be greater than I'd like.

Does anyone have any ideas (preferably tested ideas!) to straighten them up?
post #2 of 22
There's no spoiler on the boot, so there isn't going to be an easy fix.

What exactly is the problem? Is your ankle over-flexed, or are you put in an unnaturally forward position where you have to compensate by sitting on the john?

If it's the latter, you could try lifting the toe of your binding to put you in a more neutral stance.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
It is the latter - I have a very flexible achilles tendon, allowing for a lot of ankle flexion. Because this isn't the stiffest boot around, I can flex it enough to require an aft movement of the hips.

I've tried a toe lift, but think I am just clouding the issue. Two boots ago, I actually heated the spine of the boot and bent them up while standing in them to adjust the forward lean. I liked the result, but it is a P.I.A. and is also not very accurate.
post #4 of 22
This may be a very easy fix. Go to a good fitter and heve them fit the boot with a toe lift under the front of the boot. The lip on the front the boot that clicks into the binding will have to be shaved down. If that lip is hollow, the fitter may have to fill it with silicone or something else that will bond to the boot so he can create the new lip. This is exactly how I neutralized my Atomics and I know this is commonly done.
post #5 of 22
Richy...Do you have large calves? Do you feel that your problem arises from the boot pitching you too far forward or the flex being too soft for your type of skiing? If you are over-flexing the boot, then the boot may need to be stiffened to reduce aft movement of your hip. More info please!
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richy View Post
It is the latter - I have a very flexible achilles tendon, allowing for a lot of ankle flexion. Because this isn't the stiffest boot around, I can flex it enough to require an aft movement of the hips.

I've tried a toe lift, but think I am just clouding the issue. Two boots ago, I actually heated the spine of the boot and bent them up while standing in them to adjust the forward lean. I liked the result, but it is a P.I.A. and is also not very accurate.
Tried that, but it doesn't work as well as adjusting the lean.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantman View Post
Richy...Do you have large calves? Do you feel that your problem arises from the boot pitching you too far forward or the flex being too soft for your type of skiing? If you are over-flexing the boot, then the boot may need to be stiffened to reduce aft movement of your hip. More info please!
I do have large calves. Short question - long answer. I like the flex of the boot as is. It is laterally stiff enough, and the flex provides the ability to be supple and accurate in the ankle. Because I can flex a great deal in my ankle, I end up flexing too much @ times - BUT, I don't think it is because the boot is to soft, I think it is because I start flexing from a fairly flexed starting point. Sooooo... I'd like to keep the flex range, but start from a more upright point.

I stood in a pair of lange world cups and can say that the forward lean is far less extreme in that boot.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have been struggling with this for several years with the salomon line. I've tried lots of stuff - stiffening, softening, straightening, toe lifts. The best fix seemed to be straightening the forward lean, although my method a few years ago was not very scientific. Knowing that these boots are somewhat known for a steeper forward lean, I was hoping that someone might have a better method???
post #9 of 22
If you've had problems with Salomon, why not try another brand?
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Not an option - sponsored.
post #11 of 22
Ask Jeff Bergeron.
post #12 of 22
Cantman is one of the best fitters out there.
post #13 of 22
keep this thread alive.

I too notice the forward lean as mildly excessive on the falcon ten. More angle than the Atomic 1050 and less than the old Nordica Grand Prix.

it skis great though, holy quick lateral response. (I never carved slalom turns on my gotamas/fritchi via my Atomic 1050s before.)

a thought... can I bore out the canting holes on the cuff so they have more room to pivot vertically before screwed into place? maybe that won't change the angle on the achilles though.

keep it coming...
post #14 of 22
richy:

what part of the boot is putting you too far forward?

the boots top few inches?

lower on your solius (sp) muscle?

the achillies is too narrow and forcing you too far forward?

they all can do the same thing to your stance, but all have different solutions.

post or PM me for shell mods that might help
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
Good question - Let me put 'em on and think about that for a minute - my first gut feeling is that it might just be the top few inches. I played around today with hammering down the top buckles to "squeeze" my fat calf out of the way. The verdict is still out on this change - need to adjust to the hyper sensitive front end w/o getting bucked.
post #16 of 22
let me know when you figure it out
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Mtlion - you've got me thinking..... after putting the boot on, that extra flex available through the liner above the power strap does allow me to "come over the top", contributing to the forward lean issue - I'm thinking of throwing a booster strap on above the power strap - any thoughts?
post #18 of 22
try the stock power strap on liner only and the booster around liner and shell.

might help? worst case if you don't like it remove and change back to stock
post #19 of 22
Good to find this thread. I just pulled the trigger on some Falcon 10's...LOVE the flex, lateral stiffness & snug fit... sensitivity is unreal.

One full ski day (trees & Spanky's at Blackcomb), and 3-4 hrs of sitting in them (standing and unweighted/sitting).
They're going to need a small bit of 'fit-tuning'; I plan to accomplish this next week (5 days at 'Boat).

Yeah, mine feel just a bit bit too far forward. Superfeet Green footbeds. Top few inches are fine; for me I think its farther down around soleus, achilles zone feels fine.
My feet/ankle/calves are 'normal' size & shape (no weird fitting drama).
Any ideas, Mtnlion -- or anyone else?
post #20 of 22
grind (thin) the part of the shell that feels like it is pushing you too far forward.

If that is the soleus then around that area thin the shell out 1-2mm.

Had to do a few pairs of lange comp 130LF and 120MF around the achilies as they where too narrow and pushing people forward.

put one boot on with a liner and "feel" for the area, and on the other foot have just the shell and footbed. find the spot on the linered boot and then mark the other boot from that.
if you think you need 2mm grind only 1mm, ski it, try it and THEN grind the other mm as needed. A little goes a long way and you can only grind once.
post #21 of 22
It may sound counter intuitive but GMO added a pad under my heel to resolve the problem. As I understand it, it accomplished two things. It raises and opens the ankle joint thus giving you less forward lean and it also pushes that big calf a little farther out of the boot which also allows you to stand up straighter. It also snugged up my foot against the lower section of the boot between the second and third buckle. Try a couple of wedges an eighth to a quarter of an inch and see if you don't think it helps. Just plain cardboard will do for a test around the house, but you need something more substantial long term.
No slight intended here but it does not sound to me like you have the training to start grinding on your boots.
post #22 of 22
Cantman offered a great solution. If you don't want to play with the boots first you can accomplish exactly the same thing with a lift under the binding toe and it is more easily removable.

Don't mess with heel lifts, just upset your balance.

Lou
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