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post #1 of 26
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I was just wondering about the age of the J-1's in your state or region. I am not questioning the "legality", just what have you seen on your circuit.

There has been a kid ..... of 30/31 .... running all of the events for the past few years. He seems like a nice guy and helps out with the kids and all but for the past two seasons, he has gone from an assistant "coachish" type status to just racing.

I got the distinct feeling that the Head Coach would like to see him move on to masters (roll of the eyes and shake of the head). This season he has been doing .... well ... quite well and actually dominating most of the local events.

He does look very young and when I first met him, I had figured that he was a local college freshman and that with the lack of college racing (locally), he had gravitated over. I was a bit shocked when I noticed his YOB as 1976.
post #2 of 26
Don't they call them a MID on the results pages? They do here. We also don't restrict adults from the races.
post #3 of 26
J1's are 17 & 18 in every region. But... many races are J2/J1/Sr. If that's the case, anyone J2 or older can enter with a valid USSA #. (See Phil Mahre's latest race.) If this person is bringing in low points, then his entry is a good thing.
post #4 of 26
Maybe the issue is that he is taking up a "place" that determines where the kids are to qualify for state championships? I thought that PARA ignored those people, tho, when they figured things for the championship qualifiers. If the Senior is ignored, then there should be no issue as it does help lower the points. If they allowing him to use up a quota slot, though, that could be an issue that needs to be addressed with your Division.
post #5 of 26
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Sib, you are correct; PARA does ignore him on the state team lists. They just don't do any "breakout" on the list of published race results and as usual, PARA has not changed a bit; they are still relying on "passenger pigeon" to send in results.
post #6 of 26
so I can race J1?(and get my clocked cleaned) sweet!!!! I am so in.
post #7 of 26
Oldest seen on the circuit? I took part in the Masters downhills (3 races) at Mammoth last week which ran on the same course as the USSA Far West event.

A couple of the Masters racers also competed in the USSA event so ended up doing 6 race runs and 4 training runs over 3 days! In the Masters event, one was in my class (50-60) and the other was in the 40-50 class.

So, no age limits here.
post #8 of 26
im assuming you guys are talking about randy detrick. his results dont count towards any pa cup points. be happy that he is still racing and lowering the penalty. most races in PA are open USSA races.

p.s. and he is a really nice guy
post #9 of 26
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My thinking was that he was developing a points profile for some FIS?
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
My thinking was that he was developing a points profile for some FIS?
to my knowledge he hasnt done any FIS races. i never asked him what his motivation was to continue ski racing. he wasnt always great. he didn't get good until he went to a couple slush cup races a few years ago and scored some serious points. ill have a chat with him at PA Cup finals and see whats up.
post #11 of 26
i know im bringing up a little out dated topic, but i personally know randy very well. he taught me how to ski as a young lad...anyhow, he was rising in the ski racing world early in his career, noted as an olympic hopeful. took some time off coaching as noted before. he got back into racing last couple season and actually competed in nationals at big sky...finishing top 3 from what i remember(although he said it was a bit of a joke with the weather out there). sounds crazy but he mentioned trying out for the x games this year in skier cross. he is def the most amazing skier ive ever witnessed and when he puts his mind to it i doubt theres anything he cant accomplish. Keep your eye out for him season, as im sure hes gonna do big things. hes in amazing shape for his age. def one of the nicest people i know. i'll give him a call and see what hes up to as far as racing this year.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by Shea-bird View Post
i know im bringing up a little out dated topic, but i personally know randy very well. he taught me how to ski as a young lad...anyhow, he was rising in the ski racing world early in his career, noted as an olympic hopeful. took some time off coaching as noted before. he got back into racing last couple season and actually competed in nationals at big sky...finishing top 3 from what i remember(although he said it was a bit of a joke with the weather out there)..
Since my daughter raced for CB years ago and certainly knew what Randy looked like, and since she raced in the ND division of USSA, I was interested in this remark. I was wondering how she hadn't run into him. I take it these were Masters races, though?
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
My guess is that you can find him on Sunday mornings running the dry land training for Gus. He usually starts right about now.
post #14 of 26
Nice. I'd like to get my clock cleaned as a Sr.

I'm actually quite seriously considering it. I'm 23. Masters racing means 1000-1500 mile round trip drives. There are some J2/J1/Sr. races in New Mexico.

I think its funny when parents get annoyed by Srs. that come by and ski. I've seen that happen in the Northeast. I honestly won't mind being "that guy" especially since I'm not going to be beating anyone (except maybe some 2s) and the alternative is just not feasible.
post #15 of 26
So far as I can tell, most events for J1/J2s are actually open events, and that includes the ones that are used for qualifiying for age-group championships (like JOs) or other scored age-group competitions. Obviously, the elderly racers don't take part in that aspect.

I don't think it's at all unusual for there to be a few slightly over-age competitors (19-21 or so). There are relatively fewer oddball entrants: Tim Hill is a PNSA masters racer who enters open events and does well in them. Scott Macartney of the US Ski Team has also entered open events. Talk about good points ... anybody who's annoyed by having his kids beaten by him is so clueless he should probably stay at home.
post #16 of 26
That is a good point too. They do all they can to organize BS points races for their little kiddies, and then if someone who actually has good points is sticking around and skiing they are put off by it. Doesn't make much sense. Ski racing has too many catty PTA d-bag parents involved in it. I'm pretty sure tons of kids would do better if Mom and Dad stayed the heck out of it.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
My guess is that you can find him on Sunday mornings running the dry land training for Gus. He usually starts right about now.
Yeah im guessing Gus is still at camelback? Its great to see him get back into racing, hoping he makes a bigger mark this year. He's actually doing some off season work with the jr racers at the bangor track in PA. Wait til the snow hits and the season begins, im sure we'll all here his name atop the leaderboards.

and yes, i believe most of his races last season were in the masters circuit. I know he trains with the race team at elk these days in season. im not so sure he still does any assistant coaching with gus or not.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Nice. I'd like to get my clock cleaned as a Sr.

I'm actually quite seriously considering it. I'm 23. Masters racing means 1000-1500 mile round trip drives. There are some J2/J1/Sr. races in New Mexico.

I think its funny when parents get annoyed by Srs. that come by and ski. I've seen that happen in the Northeast. I honestly won't mind being "that guy" especially since I'm not going to be beating anyone (except maybe some 2s) and the alternative is just not feasible.
Gave up my SR Lic this yr after 2 yrs of injuries. Didn't want to drive to CO for Masters, had a great time racing with the kids. I'm 55 now so I think it's time. This yr 2 days GS Taos, 2 days SL Red River, Finals GS SL Santa Fe
post #19 of 26
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Is this the same Shea-Bird that I worked with over at Shawnee?

I was thinking of you and Jack (and his Merlins), the other day!

Great folks over at Elk .... too far a ride for me ... but they are a great bunch!
post #20 of 26
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Gave up my SR Lic this yr after 2 yrs of injuries. Didn't want to drive to CO for Masters, had a great time racing with the kids. I'm 55 now so I think it's time. This yr 2 days GS Taos, 2 days SL Red River, Finals GS SL Santa Fe
Hey thanks for the info Dan, sorry about the injuries. Hope you enjoy your season.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Is this the same Shea-Bird that I worked with over at Shawnee?

I was thinking of you and Jack (and his Merlins), the other day!

Great folks over at Elk .... too far a ride for me ... but they are a great bunch!

haha yes that is me. i moved away for school down in SE pa a few years ago and got a job at a wick's ski shop(wicksskishop.com). I had to stay with the sport and just so happened to find an awesome family owned shop not to far from school. havent been on the boards as much but i def did not forget about the great epic ski...in fact yuki, i think it was you who told me about this site. anyhow, are you still instructing over there? and yes elk was far from shawnee and now its not even worth a thought down here...i stick to blue mt these days when i ski PA.
post #22 of 26
if this is who i think it is...........he won a couple Masters events last season as well
post #23 of 26
yeah that would be him. pretty sure he wants to get even more involved this season. should be fun to watch
post #24 of 26
he was at Big Sky for nationals.......but i think only ran the dh..it will be fun!
post #25 of 26
Is J1 not a three year spread now? Back when I raced FIS (stopped in 2000) I was J1 until I was 19 maybe even 20 I think. Have they changed this?
post #26 of 26
Yeah, actually it is 19. And - since your age is determined at December 31 - if your birthday's in the first few months of the year, you could turn 20 and still be "19" so far as the USSA is concerned.
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