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Hey a stance question or maybe about posture

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Okay you ski gurus heres one for you okay see today I had the first day this season that felt like I know how to turn a pair of skis and lets just say that its my 25th day this year I got maybe 30 last year and at the end of last year I was a pretty decent skier no god no Plake no Schmidt but pretty good for what I want to do okay.

So anyway today I feel this thing and its that when I stand up taller I have lighter feet and I can turn more when I want instead of when my last turn is done and what I want to know is how you gurus teach people to stand up straight so that there feet are light and they can turn easily. Thats my problem in a nutshell I like to get forward and low but that only works for high speed turns and its no good in bumps and its no good in tight trees and basicly its not good for anything but going really fast.

So who has the good drills or suggestions speak up gurus.
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It's called a centered stance and it is one of the holy grails (o wait - there's only supposed to be one holy grail). Anyway, there are only a billion and a half drills to develop a centered stance. A common one for forward leaners is "Expose your belly button to the wind". I'll surely get skewered for this, but wedge turns can be a great place to start working on a centered stance. "Thousand steps" or "Thousand shuffles", where you are either stepping or shuffling your feet all the way through your turns are old standbys. Mental images like "keep your head stuck on the ceiling" can sometimes help. Exercises to develop a sensitivity to where the pressure is on the feet (e.g. toes, ball, arch, heel) can help develop awareness. Other exercises focus on developing hip movement patterns. The "Skate to Shape" exercise, where you start skating down the fall line and gradually transition from skating to short radius turns is one. Using a skating move to initiate turns is another. Ski boards (aka snow blades, ski blades) are a great fore/aft training device. Try taking them out in powder and crud if you are a glutton for brutal feedback. I was never a fan of sticking paper currency partially inside the tongue of the boot (with the objective of not losing the cash by losing shin tongue contact), but that has been popular through the ages. Speaking of shin-tung, I'll bet that you did not know that this is an ancient Chinese martial art. If you can master shin-tung, you will become one with the skis! Which exercises work best for you will depend on what you're currently doing, you're gear and what kind of learner you are.
post #3 of 11
In general a taller stance allows quicker turns but is weaker whereas a more flexed stance is slower turning but offers more leverage. So short little turns close to the fall line would be easier from a taller stance.

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Are you using pole plants? Because getting those integrated correctly into a routine and having the hands in the right place contributes to the right upper body posture in my opinion (or perhaps, conversely, having it wrong works against the right stance). I think "belly button to the wind" is an excellent way to visualize the tall centered stance, and having your hands in your front peripheral vision is going to help. Generally, hunched over skiers have their hands by their sides and are not planting poles.
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This is all good advise and should be tried. My advise is to align your hip with the middle of your feet, shoulders over the toes and hands forward of that. Try and feel your shins making contact on the front of the boots at all times. ----------Wigs
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Thread Starter 
Hey thanks everyone who replied I like what you all had to say and hey there Rusty Im gonna go practice some shin-tung and also what Wigs said about lining up parts of the body thanks it gives me stuff to think about.
post #7 of 11
Check your equipment. If you have lifts in your boots under your heels, take them out. If your boots have any gizmos between the shell cuff and the liner that tip you forward, take those out even if you have to remove screws to do it. If that helps, you might also try raising your toe position a couple of millimeters if your bindings allow for a temporary spacer between the antifriction device and the boot sole. If this helps, you can have a permanent shim installed between the ski and the toe binding.

post #8 of 11
Ski without poles and your arms folded across your chest. Maintain shin contact to the front of your boots at all times.
post #9 of 11

Therusty has some really good drills for you. Here is another, pivot slips. On a steep groomed blue of moderate black, sideslip vertically from a tall stance. Pivot both skis (from under the foot) to a side slip in the other side. Repeat so you have sideslip, pivot other side, side slip, povit other side and so on. To release the side slip to pivot, your hips must move down the hill and your weight must be centered. If you need to make a little wedge shape to pivot, you arn't releassing your edges at the same time by moving your hips past the lower foot.

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey thanks there Ken JRN and Ron White now I have a whole bunch of things to think about and work on tomorrow its gonna be a drills day for me unless we get a big dump tonight then it will be just a drills afternoon but anyway thanks again to you 3 and everyone else who responded.
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I would like to hear how the different ideas worked for you. Thanks for any feed back in advance and good luck.
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