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Transition of foot pressure in carved turn

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Friends, I had a great day on my new Elan Ripsticks on Sunday. My other skis are 666's mid fat, which I love for other reasons. But the Rips allowed me to engage much higher in the turn, and stay with it throughout the arc. My question has to do with the transition, if any, of pressure to the edge through the turn. For the first time, I was able to get the tips to engage the turn by tipping and weighting the big toe/little toe. As the turn matured, perhaps because the pressure increases, I felt the center of pressure move back from the forefoot. In the apex, I seemed most comfortable with pressure applied with the ball and heel, almost equally. I did also seem to have a tendency to weight the heel on occasion towards the end of the turn, and when I did, it seemed as though I was getting a bit in the back seat and pulled the skis under me. Am I getting this right? Have to say that ripping fast long GS turns with the weighted leg like an outrigger was an amazing sensation. Please do not tell me that is bad form...
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deliberate 1,

From what you describe it sounds like you are doing "park and ride". That is , you are getting your turn started nicley, but then don't move enough with the skis after that. Your outside hip falls back as a result and a bend at the waist happens to stay balanced.

To correct this, you need to continue to move along the path of the skis, open your outside ankle up progressivly through the turn (soft gas pedal press) and keep your hip over your outside foot (opening the ankle helps this). Your movements need to be spread out through the entire turn and then into the next (to be able to keep up with the skis).
Make shure you stay balanced between the skis (your sturnum needs to be somewhere between your feet). The turm "outrigger" makes me believe you are leanning inside the turn too much. Stay as tall and long as you can to still be able to carve the turns.

Hope this helps.

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The Park&Ride is a happy place and not bad form. You can even leave RXR tracks. But, like Ron said there is m o r e to it. Follow your skis around the turn. Be progressive in your movements. Start making small adjustments with your skis by lightly lifting the inside foot and extending your outside one.(Vertical Seperation) Play with your edge engagement ever so carefully. Once you get that dialed then Gas on it.
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Sounds like a classical back seat issue. You have probably heared it before, get your weight forward. One thing that gets a little too little attention when we talk about weight too far back is that you should learn to angulate and to move your butt into the turn and not point it backwards because if you point it backwards not only will you get in the back seat but you will allso be very volnerable to hip rotation towards the outside causing skidding. Try this, arms forward and hips into the turn.
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Friends, great stuff for me to work on. You all nailed it. I am a back seat driver but am trying to keep my arms forward and skiis under me to address this.
Some fine points. Ron, excellent diagnosis. Can you flesh out what you mean by "moving along the path of the skiis" once the turn is initiated, and the concept of "opening the outside (weighted?) ankle." The suggestion to keep the sternum centered between the skis is a great reference - I am sure that with the park and ride turns, it is well over my inside ski.
Tdk6, you are right about the back seat issue. Has always been an issue for me. Could you elaborate your suggestion to carry your "butt into the turn" rather than pointing it back.
Thanks again. David
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I am a back seat driver but am trying to keep my arms forward and skis under me to address this.
Consider your equipment. If you have lifts under your heels, take them out. If you can remove any gizmos on your ski boot cuff to allow you to stand more upright, try a day with these gadgets out of the boots. Look at postings about binding position...the ball of your foot should be positioned at the center of the running surface of the ski. Many factory ski marks are too far back, and backseat skiing is one attribute of this. http://www.lous.ca/Articles/nordica%20report%20revA.pdf

To help get your weight where it should be, pull your inside foot back, hard, all the way through the turn. Too much?...if so, modulate as needed. There's no need to push the skis forward during the turn; the skis' acceleration does that for you.

Letting your butt hang over the inside of the turn, not over the ski tails, is one way to think about angulation and counter. The earlier in the turn you get it there, the better.

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Hey Ken, were you looking in my living room window last night. No kidding. As I was watching Warren Miller's most recent movie, I was tearing out the two heel lifts in my boots (Tecnica XT17 plugs) and removed the rear spoiler as well. Got this idea after reading a few posts yesterday afternoon about the effect of heel lifts and the way they can force your butt out to balance your CM. I very much appreciate your confimation of this and am headed off to the slopes this morning to test it out. I will also check out your binding suggestion. I think that the binding on my new Ripsticks do allow for some forward/aft adjustments. After all that, no more excuses. Cheers, David.
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