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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
my current gear is all done for: way past due. i am rektide: 6'1" 185lbs 24yrs human male, this is year #2 in colorado. hello, thanks for reading everyone! mercy knows i could use your wisdom.


history
right now i have a pair of 182cm 100-63-92 `99 or `98 era volkl carvers vertris' i've been using since high school. i've accrued jumping practice and am finally getting near "solid", but mostly its been carving steep terrain and moguls on the east coast and occasionally ditzing off with these unwieldy blades in a glade somewhere. lets just say some volkl 5 stars were probably in my future had i stayed on the east coast. actually come to think of it, those volkls are still almost undoubtedly going to be purchase #2 to my slowly forming quiver.

anyways these old volkl's were in tolerable shape for back east carving, but have been pretty out of place when skiing Loveland and A-Basin. man you guys have some fun turf! so many new sweet challenges. however i really need better gear. 100-63-92 is uh, inappropriate. i'm a great skier, i've been skiing since i was born, and i need something that wont toss me to shambles for getting adventurous.


envisioned criteria
the main goal is an all mountain ski that will let me go off piste, through terrain, and down the bumps (preferably fast). i've been assaulting every face and every piece of harry terrain i can find around AB and Loveland and i want skis that'll go with me when i try it. i'm starting to integrate jumps into moguls, but i still am too much of a patsy to be any good in the terrain park, but its not out of the question if these landings keep getting better. light seems to be key for this all mountain work, for moguls and tree maneuverability, but i have not identified what kind of stiffness/springiness characteristics i should be looking for. i gravitate towards a consistent & stiff plank, but dont really know what is best for the terrains i am finding myself on.

as a rule, i try to keep my rails locked into the turn, keep the back of the ski from drifting out, but its been enormously hard not to blow out the end of the turn with the crud and cover there is out here in colorado. keeping a hard aggressive edge through the varied covered steep terrain is... always exciting. my observation is that most everyone heres in CO adopted a more S-like turning style that involves huge drifting the tail around at the edge of the turn and kicking up decent wake. i would very much like a ski that grants some marginal (all mountain skis are by definition not carvers) ability to carve through thrashed up cover on the side of a face. groomed carving ability is far less important, but the ski cant go totally unstable on me.



current research
ok so i talk alot but i've also done a lot of research, but most of it online, searching through the archives here. so far the K2 Public Enemies are looking really good all around, capable of handling off piste work, crud terrain, doing some park work and still granting some carving. i'd like a verdict on this years Solomon 1080 Gun & Foil vs. the old ones: i've heard some amazing things about the new Gun but it'd have to be a lot more rigid & serious of a ski ala a 1080 CR Labs than the softness on 05/06's, the old ones just didnt strike me as professional enough. seeing a pair of the old Atomic Sweet Daddy's were what started this hunt, but there dont seem to be a lot of people with them or reviews on them, and i suspect they're probably way too soft just ala a 05/06 1080 Gun. the Gotama and Karma both look really wide, and i just cant fathom what they would be like on the bumps, but i'm not opposed and the reviews all sound glowing. I've heard great things about the AC3/AC4 but i know quiver item #2 is a volkl supersport, so i'm looking for something more terrain focused than the ACs. the snoop daddy picks up freeriding credentials everywhere but the PE seems like its at least as capable in every category and much better for tackling steep faces and crud,. the apache recons look interesting but again dont strike me as particularly good for close quarters with trees. others i put in the running are dynastar trouble makers, head mojo 80, lines prophet 80 and scratch BC. I dunno, reading this i sound really biased towards the K2 PE's but I really didnt have much luck forming a picture of how these skis would handle on bumps or going down a thrashed up covered face.

anyways yeah, i could really use some help looking for some skis to hit the terrain with. all assistance is appreciated!

thanks a million, rektide out.
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 
oh and i have no idea about what length i'm looking for either. :/ bump-capable and these skis need to be much more tree friendly, but i do tend to like em on the long side.
post #3 of 15
Demo Demo Demo

I would spend the rest of the year just demoing these models.


Cheers,

Michael
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
no one has ANY comment for a request on lightweight all mountain skis? you gotta be frigging kidding me. :/
post #5 of 15
You'll get more responses when they all stop laughing....................:

SJ
post #6 of 15
So many folks on this forum have done some outstanding work such as dawgcatching:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=50583

Along with your current thread you may also consider some really good threads featuring model demo reactions and feedback posts for All Mountain Skis with a search or two.
post #7 of 15
whered you move from there man I mean really you cant expect the people to be serious about you if your just a flatlander whose trying to fit in I mean what you ought to do is ski what worked for you where you used to ski Colorado isnt different its just bigger and you dont need a Colorado ski you need a ski for you.
post #8 of 15
im kind of in love with the karma as an all mountain ski. i tried it a sugarbush a few weeks ago and it was amazing. it was really "turny" which surprised me and it blew through powder and handled the bumps magnificently.
post #9 of 15
Karmas are surprisingly good in bumps and obviously are well suited to the terrain park so definitely put those high on the demo list (don;t be afraid of their width, they're actually pretty nimble).

If you plan on skiing switch at all, and it sounds like you do, then you should limit your list to twin tips. Others to take a hard look at: Public Enemys, Stockli Rotor (but hard to find). I love the AC4 but its NOT a park ski and is not amenable to bumps (its doable but not at all where it shines).
post #10 of 15
rektide, here's another thread to look at (among others):

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33326
post #11 of 15

try these

the rossi b3 will be all you want/need. try 'em and i guarantee you'll love 'em. ---lus
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by rektide View Post
my current gear is all done for: way past due. i am rektide: 6'1" 185lbs 24yrs human male, this is year #2 in colorado. hello, thanks for reading everyone! mercy knows i could use your wisdom.


history
right now i have a pair of 182cm 100-63-92 `99 or `98 era volkl carvers vertris' i've been using since high school. i've accrued jumping practice and am finally getting near "solid", but mostly its been carving steep terrain and moguls on the east coast and occasionally ditzing off with these unwieldy blades in a glade somewhere. lets just say some volkl 5 stars were probably in my future had i stayed on the east coast. actually come to think of it, those volkls are still almost undoubtedly going to be purchase #2 to my slowly forming quiver.

anyways these old volkl's were in tolerable shape for back east carving, but have been pretty out of place when skiing Loveland and A-Basin. man you guys have some fun turf! so many new sweet challenges. however i really need better gear. 100-63-92 is uh, inappropriate. i'm a great skier, i've been skiing since i was born, and i need something that wont toss me to shambles for getting adventurous.


envisioned criteria
the main goal is an all mountain ski that will let me go off piste, through terrain, and down the bumps (preferably fast). i've been assaulting every face and every piece of harry terrain i can find around AB and Loveland and i want skis that'll go with me when i try it. i'm starting to integrate jumps into moguls, but i still am too much of a patsy to be any good in the terrain park, but its not out of the question if these landings keep getting better. light seems to be key for this all mountain work, for moguls and tree maneuverability, but i have not identified what kind of stiffness/springiness characteristics i should be looking for. i gravitate towards a consistent & stiff plank, but dont really know what is best for the terrains i am finding myself on.

as a rule, i try to keep my rails locked into the turn, keep the back of the ski from drifting out, but its been enormously hard not to blow out the end of the turn with the crud and cover there is out here in colorado. keeping a hard aggressive edge through the varied covered steep terrain is... always exciting. my observation is that most everyone heres in CO adopted a more S-like turning style that involves huge drifting the tail around at the edge of the turn and kicking up decent wake. i would very much like a ski that grants some marginal (all mountain skis are by definition not carvers) ability to carve through thrashed up cover on the side of a face. groomed carving ability is far less important, but the ski cant go totally unstable on me.



current research
ok so i talk alot but i've also done a lot of research, but most of it online, searching through the archives here. so far the K2 Public Enemies are looking really good all around, capable of handling off piste work, crud terrain, doing some park work and still granting some carving. I dunno, reading this i sound really biased towards the K2 PE's but I really didnt have much luck forming a picture of how these skis would handle on bumps or going down a thrashed up covered face.

anyways yeah, i could really use some help looking for some skis to hit the terrain with. all assistance is appreciated!

thanks a million, rektide out.
you are correct and here is your picture( and video )



http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04568788841353

all of that skiing is done on K2 PEs 179s.

I cnat rave enough about these skis, they are so good I am considering K2 Fatter twins. and will for sure buy another pair of K2 PES next year. At pro price they are nearly disposable
post #13 of 15
Check out the Loveland sport shop. They have a few great all mountain and bigger twins for demo and sale, as well as knowledgeable staff(Gold Medal Shop and Nordica Race Dealer). Also they will meet or beat Denver prices and have a lower sales tax.
post #14 of 15
I would personally go with Volkl Karmas instead of the K2 PEs. The PEs are much too soft, and best for all park. The Karmas are as close to a normal ski as you'll get in a twin tip, and are ideal for moguls, in glades, and have great handling anywhere else. They have a mid-fat waistline (but don't be fooled, they're agile), and hold great on ice. I just ordered my self a pair to arrive on tuesday. I can check back after I've used them if you'd like, to give a better opinion.

If you plan on buying these skis, just in case, go to this website, which is German, but they have amazing (almost half-off) prices, and come with bundle savings when bindings are bought as well. I got my karmas for $550 CDN, which is almost half off its normal Canadian Retail price of $1020 for the combo of bindings AND skis. They have many other skis and bindings as well, so it worth a check out. Shipping is only €50 to Canada and the US.

Happy Ski Shopping!
post #15 of 15
link to website? is it that sport conrad place?
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