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PSIA Dev team tryout and preparation for it

post #1 of 47
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OK, so what to expect in getting ready for the tryout. Not this year, but next? Input from past participants or those close to the process.
post #2 of 47
I presume you're in Eastern? There was an ongoing report during the Eastern tryouts last year by a participant. Should be in the archives here. I don't remember the participant's name or the thread title but if you search on "PSIA", "Development", etc., you'll probably find it.
post #3 of 47
That was me. It was for Eastern Team tryouts, but I did it as prep for Dev Team. I am expecting the first day of Dev Team to be like the Eastern Team tryout and the second day will be more teaching oriented.
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post #5 of 47
Hey, where'd you get the pic of the bunny chick? That's Wa just below the Polar Express lift looking over at Manadnock lift and Easy Rider carpet.
post #6 of 47
Ken, you were looking at the _lifts_ ???
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I was trying not to look at the ten year old girl in Playboy bunny costume, so I focused on the tele bindings.
post #8 of 47

Here ya go.

DEVELOPMENT TEAM EXAM
Hunter Mountain March 14 - 15, 2007

Candidate information
Try out schedule and format

Wednesday skiing: Skiing will include tasks, demos, and other maneuvers, as well as free skiing runs. Groups will follow a predetermined schedule, performing specific skiing tasks and maneuvers at a variety of locations on the mountain. Come prepared to ski all open trails and terrain. Each candidate will be evaluated on the same move by the same examiners; thus creating the fairest, most objective situation. First day results will be posted and a cut made. This is necessary because there is a skiing standard for Development Team members and a limit to the number of people that can be fairly evaluated in teaching on the second day. We encourage individuals who are cut to remain for the second day, in order to ski with a current PSIA-E Education Staff member and receive coaching and feedback. This will count as an update for clinic credit.
First day skiing = 50% of overall score

Thursday 8 AM: Written Exam: The written exam will be given Thursday morning at 8am. Those participants continuing on in the exam should arrive to the designated written exam area at 7:50am.
Written exam = 5% of overall score

Application: As part of the application, you submitted your skiing resume and two letters of recommendation. This material was scored based on your experience and background, timeliness of information submitted and the quality of the presentation.
Resume = 5% of overall score

Thursday: Coaching Task #1 You will be given this specific coaching assignment at the exam. However, your evaluators will be looking at your ability to work with instructors to help them be better ski teachers. This is an entirely different skill set than that of a regular run-of-the-mill ski instructor. You already showed that you are a good ski instructor at the Level III exam. This is where you show us that you are a great clinician and that you can help ski teachers be better ski teachers!
Teaching Draw #1 = 13% of overall score

Thursday: Coaching Task #2: You will be given this specific coaching assignment at the exam. However, with this assignment you will be asked to provide some movement analysis of your peers. You will draw the topic and will proceed with your program from the results of the skiing of your group.
Teaching Draw #2 = 13% of overall score

Thursday: Coaching Task #3: Tactical skiing situations will be made available depending on conditions. Examples include but are not limited to: bumps, ice, steeps, gates, terrain park. You will be asked to help the group improve their tactical choices, versatility and flexibility in a given situation.
Teaching Task #3 = 14% of overall score

We mark on a 0-10 basis. The various portions of the exam are weighted differently. A candidate must meet a minimum standard in each category, regardless of total score, to be considered for selection. The number of candidates chosen is determined by a combination of the overall quality and the occurrences of natural breaks in the order of the final scores.


GOOD LUCK, WE WISH YOU A SUCCESSFUL TRYOUT!
post #9 of 47
Does anyone know if there will be video of the tryouts? I have watched video of the National team tryouts, and it was great for practicing MA, as well as seeing some great form.
post #10 of 47
There will be if you come and shoot some. Other than that, I dunno.
post #11 of 47
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There will be if you come and shoot some. Other than that, I dunno.
Maybe next year. I have a three day internal meeting March 13-15 regarding our agency's approach to discussing comments wtih the affected groups at a later date, on a proposed rule. You can tell from the description how much I will prefer this to an actual day of skiing and getting to watch top notch skiers strut their stuff. I wonder how PSIA-E would react if we could get volunteers to shadow the various groups and provide extensive video recording of the event. This would take some coordination, but would not be too hard to organize for a future year.

Do you think extra videoing would affect participants' performance, or would they jsut ski after the novelty wore off?
post #12 of 47
I don't think they'd notice. People were videoing the Eastern Team Tryouts, but the public is all over the hill anyway. As a candidate you are just trying to "git 'er done".
post #13 of 47
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I don't think they'd notice. People were videoing the Eastern Team Tryouts, but the public is all over the hill anyway. As a candidate you are just trying to "git 'er done".
I'm a L2, as of last Friday. I just like having good video to work on my MA skills. Our area does tech sessions indoors during the early fall. We look at video of both good skiers and bad, and watch as good skiers get overcome by challenging terrain on video. It looks remarkably like less skilled skiiing on less challenging terrain, and shows many of the same issues. I also like to know how better skiers than me approach challenges, and learn from them. I am mostly a thinker, but I like to give my visual and feeling learning styles a workout when I can.
post #14 of 47
schanfm,

I hve been through the prep trainning for dev team and I suggest you go to the dev. team prep clinic. It does a very good job of getting you ready for the exam and is a barometer of how you might perform on the exam (it is a contest for those who meet standards unlike a level exam). Often the prep clinician will have a copy of last years skiing tasks and where they were skied (which section of the trail). Last year at the prep, I opted to do a practice teaching segment to the group which was great experience.

Your application for the exam needs a letter of reccomendation from 2 Board of Ed Members + resume as epic describes.

Good luck!

RW
post #15 of 47
Well, I'm back. I made the skiing cut, but not the teaching cut. They only took 5 out of the 30 that went. The next tryout isn't for 2-years.
post #16 of 47
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Well, I'm back. I made the skiing cut, but not the teaching cut. They only took 5 out of the 30 that went. The next tryout isn't for 2-years.
I, for one, really appreciate everyone who goes to the tryouts. The more people who tryout, the toughter the competition, and, I hope, the better the Ed Staff. I'm glad to hear your skiing made the cut. You should be proud of yourself.
post #17 of 47
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Well, I'm back. I made the skiing cut, but not the teaching cut. They only took 5 out of the 30 that went. The next tryout isn't for 2-years.
Nice job epic to make it to day two.Was this your 1st time? That's says a lot. One of our ski instructors from Middlebury College Snow bowl made the team, we are all very proud of him. Keep at it sounds like you could be very close for the next time.
post #18 of 47
Chris, right? This was my first time. On eof these days I will post a little more detail on preparing for this thing.
post #19 of 47
Sorry you didn't make it this time, epic. It takes quite a bit of courage to compete with 30 for one of five spots. I respect you for trying out.
post #20 of 47
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Chris, right? This was my first time. On eof these days I will post a little more detail on preparing for this thing.
Yes that's him. We at the ski school have not even seen him yet and we all want to congradulate him but he went off to Park City this weekend, I guess he did not want to ski up to 2' of powder here ha ha. look forward to reading your report sometime, thanks. David
post #21 of 47
OK - here's how I prepared for Dev Team (and btw, there is no tryout next year, so you'll have to wait an extra year). First of all, realize that it is not an exam, it is a tryout. There is no meeting the standard, there is defeating the others who attend te tryout and winning a spot on the team. Not the same thing. You need to be better than the others, of course if everyone sucks they just won't take as many people.

I decided last year (right after my level 3 part 2) that I would go for it. The first thing I did was sign up for the Eastern Team tryout. My reasoning being that I would get to have an idea of what the format of the Dev Team tryout would be like. They are very similar, so it wasn't a bad idea. One difference is I had no chance at all going into Eastern Team and (at least in my mind) a better than average cance for Dev Team. So the level of pressure was totally different. The level of competition was different too of course. After all, everyone at Eastern Team had already passed Dev Team and in most cases ETS as well. Still, it was good to see the examiners sweat. Eastern Team gave me a good butt-kicking and let me know a few of the things I needed to work on.

Part 1 of my plan was t o go to Masters Academy and hook-up with the "thinking about Dev Team group", I got wait listed, so I missed out on that one.

Part 2 was to ski with Dave Merriam as much as possible. We have ski with Dave from 8-10 on Wednesdays. Unfortunately, this didn't really work out for me. Daycare situation was a hassle, so I could rarely get there before 9 and there were usually non-certs, level 1's, old-guys, etc. in the group which meant things had to be toned down.

Part 3 it became clear that outside help would be needed. Another guy from my mountain was also going to Dev, so we hooked up with Jeb Boyd through arc2arc. I highly recommend him. He came to Stowe and skiied with us on one freezing ass day. We were paying him and him to ourselves for the whole day, so we could really get down to business without any distractions. That day was the beginning of some big changes for me (with a little luck, I'll try to put up some before/after vid. Maybe by June... ). He left me with some homework. Just a few simple things. Tracer turns, what I guess is a phantom turn (lift the tail, etc.), two different one footed J-turns and 2-footed J-turns. I worked on them every day.

Part 4 was to go to a Dev Team Prep Clinic. Unfortunately, all of them were cancelled due to lack of interest. I ended up doing the ART Clinic up at Sunday River. Rick Skelley was the clinician for that. I didn't know at the time that he is the Dev Team coach. I got a few thins from him. But this clinic doesn't really go where I needed to go.

Part 5 about a month and a half after skiing with Jeb the first time, we went down to Cannon to ski with him again and see how things were coming along. We did a lot of work on the medium radius turn, touched on White Pass a bit, worked on some tasks and skiied a bump or two. I was ripping that day. At that point there was only about three weeks to go, and a busy time at the mountain, so lots of teaching, but luckily a lot of high level lessons so we could still do some nice skiing. In hindsight I would have done an advanced bumps clinic during this time. There was one scheduled at Stowe and I'm sure it would have helped.

I went to Dev Team with a ripping Medium radius turn, decent shorts and bump skiing that didn't feel quite right. Some days it was on, and others, not so much. I was also feeling really good about my stupid human tricks.

Well, the skiing was good enough to get me through. Honest to god, I tought I was going to pass out or throw-up after the first run. The first morning I skied pretty badly. Mostly due to nerves I think. Maybe also because I had been skiing powder all season, and this was my first dose of sprin snow since December. The exam was just about all shorts and bumps, so not what I was working on, but thankfully, my bump sking came back from wherever it has been hiding and felt REALLY good. Not all of the examiners loved my skiing, but I made it to day two.

The bottom line for day two is that I had art most 30 minutes in front of the group. I thought I NAILED two of my teaching segents and choked on the MA. Turns out I scored best on the MA and not so good on the others.

MA was luck of the draw as far as I'm concerned. I drew two skiers doing pain in the S turns. My two skiers skied great. It was hard to find fault and while I changed up a few things, I didn't have a wole lot to say. I thought a lot of the other cards were much easier - two skiers doing pivot slips in a line and one of the skiers makibg bad pivot slips IMHO. No wonder the guy scored high on that one.

The feedback I got on my teaching segments was that they didn't really like my delivery. One examiner said I scored an 8 technically and a 3 on something else (I forget what criteria they score on). One said I was boring or drab or something to that effect. Hey, I'm kind of a low key guy. This is where the format of the exam hurt me, I just don't get going that fast. Over the next two years I will have to learn how to look good in this format.

PHASE 2 - I have two years to get this right. Bottom line is thtis is a tryout for a job with no pay, so that I can tryout for a job with little pay. If they don't want me next time, then that's thier loss.

I need to:

Amp up my skiing more. If I am top of the skiing cut I have more room to make up for my general boringness. I am going to work on my alignment a little next year because I know it's not that great. I just didn't have the time for it this year and didn't think it warranted too much attention (it's 97% correct ). I'm going to be sure and get in Masters Academy. Probably do a bumps clinic. Ski with Jeb more.

Try and increase my presence in training more. Presenting to peers is not the same as running a regular class from line-up. Most of the people that beat me had some role in training at thier mountain.

Go to MA clinics, or if they ever put some frigging fibre in out here, participate in MA threads.

Maybe do the DCL tryout or ACE tryout or something. Doing another tryout would be good experience, and as a bonus, if I made it, I'd be able to get more training, and I'd get to run some clinics for PSIA. More valuable experience for the next Dev Team tryout.
post #22 of 47
Okay, here we go again.

Who's going for it this year? What sort of preparation are you doing?

Will the Slides be open? ;-)
post #23 of 47
I'm going. Anyone else. Just got back from two days at Sugarloaf with Pete Howard. So far my preparation has been to smash one knee and do one Dev Team Prep clinic. Oh yeah, a week with Shawn Smith was good too. Learned a lot.

Are you gonna do it?

I'm planning to work on my shorts a bunch and ski a lot of bumps.
post #24 of 47
Yeah, I'm thinking about giving it a try.

I did the Dev Team Prep at Gore. I'm skiing pretty well.

I'm going to try to hammer out some teaching progressions.
post #25 of 47
That might be useful...

The "questions" were verrry vague. The good news about that is you can probably do just about anything you want when they are that vague. The bad news is that you can do just about anything you want when they are that vague.

They also give you even less time than in a level 3 exam. Ten minutes, and they will stop you if you're not done.
post #26 of 47
People keep asking me if I'm going this year. I'm on my game with the skiing, but hard to make the commitment with one still in college and teaching full time to help fill in the wide financial cracks.

RW
post #27 of 47

Okay, the deadline is near . . .

 

Who's in???

post #28 of 47
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Okay, the deadline is near . . .

 

Who's in???

 

curious what do you need to attend this try out?

post #29 of 47

You just need to be an actively teaching Level III (So you got it).

 

But you also need two letters of reccomendation (One from your ski school director), a "Skiing Resume", and a cover letter explaining why you want to be on the Dev Team.  Oh . . . And $255.

 

If you can get all of that to the Albany office by Tuesday, you're in.

post #30 of 47
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You just need to be an actively teaching Level III (So you got it).

 

But you also need two letters of reccomendation (One from your ski school director), a "Skiing Resume", and a cover letter explaining why you want to be on the Dev Team.  Oh . . . And $255.

 

If you can get all of that to the Albany office by Tuesday, you're in.

 

well I am not L3 yet ill be a week late.

 

Beside I will most likely not be on this coast next year.

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