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Nordica Speedmachine - 10, 12, or 14?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
*I know nothing about ski boots

Went to a ski shop a couple of weeks ago in Okemo, VT, and their bootfitter helped me try on a few pair of boots. I thought I would defintely be looking into Langes again, which I tried, but he had me try on a pair of Nordica Speedmachine 10s which felt wonderful! They were the only Speedmachine model in the store, and now I see that there are several models. Could anyone explain the differences? Will the fit be the same from model to model? How about flex index? would the 14s be too stiff, or the 10s too soft? Think the flex adjuster really makes a difference?

The Nordica website says flex indexes are as as follows
SM 10: 100-110
SM 12: 110-120
SM 14: 120-130

About me: skied my entire life. I'll get about 15 FULL days in this year. Trip to the rockies once a year (the rest in Vermont). Love HARD carving and speed, spend 80% of my time on black/steep blue groomers. Ski: 168 Volkl All Star (which are incredible I might add). Am always looking for more grip and more speed, I'm a pretty aggressive skier. 5'7" 170 lbs and heavy weight train with my legs once a week. Narrow feet. I don't have sensitive feet and have never had any problems with ski boot fitment.

Any other boots I should consider trying on? I've only tried the above mentioned Speedmachines and a Lange Freeride 120 (these fit well too, but not like the SM's)


Thanks,

Kevin

p.s.
I've had the same Lange boots since I was 14 years old and now I'm 25. They've seen 4 sets of skis in their day, and now I feel as if I could benefit from newer boot techonology, a stiffer boot, and.....not having 11 year old boots. In all honesty, I never considered getting new boots because these Langes always worked well.
post #2 of 15
I am 5'6" and 168lbs (ski about 45-50 days a year) and ski the Speedmachine 12. Sometimes I feel like I could use a little more boot than the 12 can offer, but in general it is an excellent all around boot. I never set it on the 110 setting.

You can probably use the 12 or the 14 from what you said of yourself, but what worries me is the fact that you have narrow feet. This boot is WIDE and best suite for people with wide feet (like me).
post #3 of 15
Last week I tried on a Speedmachine 8 and a Tecnica Diablo Flame. I think the guy recommended the 8 because of my age (55) more than anything. It seemed to fit ok. It squeezed pretty tight at first but eventually I got used to it. By the end of the session I felt like I could jump out of the Tecnica, though. Funny how boots that are supposed to be the same size can fit so differently.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by TomB View Post
I am 5'6" and 168lbs (ski about 45-50 days a year) and ski the Speedmachine 12. Sometimes I feel like I could use a little more boot than the 12 can offer, but in general it is an excellent all around boot. I never set it on the 110 setting.

You can probably use the 12 or the 14 from what you said of yourself, but what worries me is the fact that you have narrow feet. This boot is WIDE and best suite for people with wide feet (like me).
Well I can tell you that it felt great to me, and thats something I paid attention too.
post #5 of 15
Hi Kevin--

It sounds to me like you'd prefer the stiffer SM 14, given your description of yourself and your skiing preferences. You should be aware, though, that I am biased toward stiffer boots myself.

If you have any concerns about the boots being too wide, you might also look into a pair of Nordica Dobermann Pro 130's, which are only slightly stiffer than the SM 14 and a bit narrower. It will be all right, too, if they are a little tight right out of the box, because there is plenty of room in the Dobermanns for grinding. That is the route to the true custom fit (assuming you can find a very good boot fitter to do the work).

Remember that the stiffer and snugger the boot, the more critical the fit and setup become. Still, from your description, I can't help but think that the SM 14 or the Dobermann are the way to go. Get them just right, and take good care of them, because they'll last a long time if you treat them well.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #6 of 15
I have a similar profile and ski the 10s. However, I would definitely recommend that you get the 14s, or at least the 12s. The 10s are certainly comfy but they're too soft for me and I suspect you would arrive at the same conclusion. As Bob mentioned, the Dobie is also worth a look - very nice boot that's on my personal short list when I shop for a replacement

The SM flex adjuster does make a difference but its subtle.

One last thing: as others have noted, the flex on the SMs changes quite a bit with the cold. Not a bad thing per se (especially with my 10s which I feel are too soft) but just something to keep in mind. I think this is a common issue with boots that have the see-through plastic.
post #7 of 15
go with the 14's. Im 5'10'' 165lbs type 8ish. I love nuking groomers sucking small children and animals up behind me. I also love big mountain skiing and east coast tech tree lines. They are a stiff boot, but very managable. The fit os great on my foot and needed little work done. I just get monster shinbang and im working on that one.

over all im glad i went with this boot over all others.
if the SP doesnt fit well go with the dobie, i believe you can take a pin out and reduce the flex to 110ish
post #8 of 15
Since you have narrow feet go with the Dobie or the Hot Rod. Basically the same boot with different plastic. I'm a C width and love the Hot Rods. The only problem is my feet get cold at times but this will be the same with any performance liner. Pick up some hotronics to go along with them. I'm a size 9 street shoe and am in the size 6 UK (7 US).
post #9 of 15
Beware a Speedmachine that feels "wonderful" out of the box. They pack out like crazy.
post #10 of 15
i agree with takecontrol, they do pack out, so if you go with them be sure to size down to take that into account.
post #11 of 15

Speedmachines are for wide feet.

I have really wide feet and I did a lot of research on boots before replacing my 6 year old Salomon Evolutions. Tried walking around on Technicas and even bought a used 2004 Beast boot and used that for a while before deciding to go for the Speedmachines. From my research, talking to two good bootfitters and based on trying these out, I decided on the speedmachines because of my wide feet. In January 2006, I bought the SM12 and they were mother-tight out of the box, however, after only two weeks of skiing I noticed they had become comfortable. In fact, they had become too comfortable for a new boot that I sold them to my brother. I replaced them with the SM14 and got a half size smaller. I have been using that SM14 since and already have about 30 days on them. Despite my wide feet I buckle the SM14 down to the third or last notch. So if you have narrow feet, then you should reconsider these.

As far as flex is concerned, the plastic of the SM14 boot really stiffens up in the cold. I was in Utah last week and my boots were in the trunk for a couple of hours before I put them on. When I finally put them on in the lodge (after being out in the cold) they had become so %^%$# tight that it took me a good ten minutes to put on my right boot. I felt that I was putting on my daughters boot. I swore to never get them cold again before putting them on.

At their softest flex setting the SM14 can still give me a hell of a shin bang and I know the shin bang is not caused by unproper buckling because I really tighten the upper buckles and pull hard on the power strap. The SM14 boot can be very stiff. In hindsight I could have been more comfortable had I stuck with the SM12. Maybe or maybe not. I will never know.

About me... I like really fast carving on blues and would go for the occasional moguls. I am 180 lbs, 5'9" and was a former ballet danseur. I have been a competitive cyclist for 20 years do two marathons a year and lots of triathlons. Did I say I have strong legs?
post #12 of 15
You realize there's no difference between half and full sizes, right? The extra snugness you're feeling is probably coming from the fact that the SM12 and SM14 have different liners.
post #13 of 15

Nordica Boots

I basically disagree with almost everyone (I tend to have done this my whole life).

Bought Speedmachine 10's this year, moved down a size and ski on these boots at soft flex. 1) there is a noticeable difference in the soft/stiff flex adjustment, 2) even more noticeable difference when its really cold skiing (Fernie 3 weeks ago got shin pain the boots were so stiff) 3) like the performance level and foot control I get out of this boot.

Raced etc. wore Technica TNT's for years ( a stiff boot) and went softer this time. See boot threads on epic regarding boots etc.. I am 192 lbs and like the flex of these boots and think this makes my off piste, mogul, powder and varied terrain skiing better. Even though the 10 is rated softer than the 12 or 14 it is not soft diagonally and performs very well.

I tried on for 30 min the 8 and it was too soft and pliable.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
Beware a Speedmachine that feels "wonderful" out of the box. They pack out like crazy.
Fully agreed!

I bought the Speedmachine 12's earlier this year, and they turned to mush in a few months. The liners are virtually worthless, if you demand performance.

A few months ago, I upgraded to the Speedmachine 14's, and tossed the liner.

I had the boots foamed (Conformable liner), and the difference is astronomical.

When I go from the foamed (firm, but a perfect fit) 14's, back to the 12's with stock liners, it's like going from a Ferrari to a 1972 Buick Vista Cruiser.

Either the 12 or 14 shell is decent. Good fit and nice flex. But, the liners are only comfy in the store. If you like edge-control or quickness under pressure, I suggest either an Intuition or Conformable replacement.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
You realize there's no difference between half and full sizes, right? The extra snugness you're feeling is probably coming from the fact that the SM12 and SM14 have different liners.
Actually a 26.0 boot and a 26.5 boot would have the same shell and the same liner. However, the 26.0 boot would have a thicker footbed so technically the boot becomes tighter and therefore smaller. If you used a custom footbed then these sizes would be irrelevant. I went from a 26.5 SM12 to a 26.0 SM14 with regular footbeds.

And I do understand the liners are different between the SM12 and SM14. I do not recall the difference (that was a year ago) but indeed they fit different.
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