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Can ice skating help with skiing ability?

post #1 of 23
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Being in Dallas, I can only manage one or two trips per season. But I'd really like to have the opportunity to work on my skiing ability. Obviously there's quite a lot of difference between ice skating and skiing, but there are tons of ice rinks around here and no snowy slopes - is there anything I can do while skating that would be of benefit during skiing? Or are they just too different?
post #2 of 23
just skating will help. You will be missing the gravity component but ice skaters are some of the easiest people to teach to ski. If you want the gravity component, try roller blading. then take it to a slight hill. Or if you really want to go farther as far as skiing like activity, try the Harb Carvers.

Did I suggest that?

DC
post #3 of 23
I'd say yes, as does roller skiing, roller blading, skate skiing and XC skiing. Focusing riding the edges and feeling the whole edge is fun to mess around with and translates to carving on skis for me.

A very noticeable improvement happened two winters ago. I was skiing with both my then, eight year old and his 10 year old cousin on very hardpack icy conditions at Telluride. They were skidding turns all day. The next day we spend 3 or 4 hours goofing around on ice skates at the town rink. The next day was truly amazing to watch the boys greatly reducing their skidding on the hardpack and icy conditions and carving more of their turns.
post #4 of 23
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just skating will help. You will be missing the gravity component but ice skaters are some of the easiest people to teach to ski. If you want the gravity component, try roller blading. then take it to a slight hill. Or if you really want to go farther as far as skiing like activity, try the Harb Carvers.

Did I suggest that?

DC
Boy your really going out limb dchan. Ice skaters make great skers too. Oh 1 other thing. I don't think there are any slight hills in Dallas.
post #5 of 23
Yes. I learn how to ice skate after 2 trips to the ski slopes. My skiing improved after 2 years of skating and no skiing.

The angulation of the body and engaging of edges on the hockey stops helped me to learn how to carve and to make parallel turns.

I think it was Bill Koch who introduced the skating action to Nordic skiing so it helps on the flats too. Independent leg action.
post #6 of 23
Sometimes stupid questions are the best questions. The answere is YES OFFCOURSE . And by the way, dchan, if you think you miss the gravity factor you are greatly misstaken.... gravity is brutal while ice scating .

In our country we introduce ice scating and nordic skiing in daycare at age 3. Its much easier to start with downhill skiing with kids that have these two allredy under their belt. There is no better balance exersise.
post #7 of 23
Yes, ice skating will help your dynamic balance skills. In addition you can work on edging skills (of course there are differences as the edge is dead center under the foot vs far to the side in skiing).

I'll put another plug in for the Harb Carvers. These more closely resemble skiing because you are in a ski boot and the wheels are in roughly the same location as a ski edge so the tipping skills used are the same as in skiing. I have a pair and use them in the off season.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Elistan View Post
Being in Dallas, I can only manage one or two trips per season. But I'd really like to have the opportunity to work on my skiing ability.
Man, are you in for a treat!!!! Hell with dem skates! You going to have the real thing soon......

http://www.winterplex.com

When it opens I'll pm ya and we can make some turns in July!!!!
post #9 of 23
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I've heard about that place. Call me skeptical (skiing in 100F weather in shorts and a t-shirt in August?) but I'll check it out if it ever gets built. They say end of 2008, but between funding, location selection, and environmental impact study I assume they'll have to do, I'm not holding by breath.
post #10 of 23
I started skating five years ago after many years of skiing and I think it definitely pushed me up a notch. The balance developed on ice skates is really good for getting skiers out of the backseat , as there is no backseat on skates. Also pulling off good hockey stops on skates is infinitely more difficult than doing them on skis where it is very easy to skid. On hockey skates it takes subtle edge control to skid and stay centered. Keep skating and skiing will come pretty easily.
post #11 of 23
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Man, are you in for a treat!!!! Hell with dem skates! You going to have the real thing soon......

http://www.winterplex.com

When it opens I'll pm ya and we can make some turns in July!!!!
Sign me up, I hope they build it.
post #12 of 23
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Sometimes stupid questions are the best questions. The answere is YES OFFCOURSE . And by the way, dchan, if you think you miss the gravity factor you are greatly misstaken.... gravity is brutal while ice scating .

In our country we introduce ice scating and nordic skiing in daycare at age 3. Its much easier to start with downhill skiing with kids that have these two allredy under their belt. There is no better balance exersise.
Heh.. Yeah, Ouch.. Gravity still pulling you down. You just can't (usually) point your ice skates down hill unless you have real strange ice rinks..

Every rink I've skated on is flat.

As far as slight hills, Don't forget I live in San Francisco, Who was the idiot that decided a Hilly place like SF was a great place to build a city. Place that needed cable cars in order to run a transit system up and down because the streets would be too steep for cars or buses! But then again I insist on driving a clutch here in SF...

DC
post #13 of 23
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As far as slight hills, Don't forget I live in San Francisco, Who was the idiot that decided a Hilly place like SF was a great place to build a city. Place that needed cable cars in order to run a transit system up and down because the streets would be too steep for cars or buses! But then again I insist on driving a clutch here in SF...

DC
SF streets are the reason ABT brakes were invented.

The Bowdoin video
post #14 of 23
I remember as a kid in Iowa, one nasty winter, putting on ice skates and skating on top of almost a half inch of ice over the snow. You could punch through in some spots, but that was the fun, too.

We'd tear down the hills behind the barn and if we fell, we'd slide forever. What fun!
post #15 of 23
Can you spot the braking moves?

2:08 - 3:08
post #16 of 23
TDK6 is right on the money. I had a private lesson earlier this week with a never-ever boy who was 6, but already playing hockey. He put his skis on, skated comfortably to the learning center terrain (which has no lift), sidestepped up a gentle incline on perfect up hill edges without moving only the tips of his skis, made wide-track parallel turns in each direction, and hockey-stoped on a dime. We skied every green trail by the end of an hour. The only problem I usually see with skaters is that they tend to make turns that are too short and use a bit more torso rotation to initiate than we like to see, but that's alot easier to fix with a few lessons than lack of balance is! I've seen this pattern with kid skaters year after year. I was so intrigued by the cross-over that I started to play hockey this year (with a group called the Mother Puckers) and, skiing made me a better novice skater.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by slider View Post
I don't think there are any slight hills in Dallas.
Think again.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by SkisLikeaGirl View Post
TDK6 is right on the money. I had a private lesson earlier this week with a never-ever boy who was 6, but already playing hockey. He put his skis on, skated comfortably to the learning center terrain (which has no lift), sidestepped up a gentle incline on perfect up hill edges without moving only the tips of his skis, made wide-track parallel turns in each direction, and hockey-stoped on a dime. We skied every green trail by the end of an hour. The only problem I usually see with skaters is that they tend to make turns that are too short and use a bit more torso rotation to initiate than we like to see, but that's alot easier to fix with a few lessons than lack of balance is! I've seen this pattern with kid skaters year after year. I was so intrigued by the cross-over that I started to play hockey this year (with a group called the Mother Puckers) and, skiing made me a better novice skater.
I find that I need to teach skaters more rotary skills because sooner or later they will get on a hill that is too steep or conditions which do not call for pure carved turn. Other than that, skaters are the easiest beginners to teach alpine skiing, with the possible exception of cross country skiers.
post #19 of 23

Can ice skating help with skiing ability?

Absolutely!!!
Especially if you ski regularly in the Northeast.
There are days when there is little difference between skiing and ice skating.

post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
Good, I'll have to start doing that. My girlfriend is a much better skier than me - in addition to several season's skiing in Vermont, she also gew up ice skating and x-country skiing in upstate New York. I had thought about skating, but didn't realize it could have such a significant impact.

Oh, and yes, we have hills in Dallas. Not Pittsburgh or San Francisco style hills, but there's some elevation changes nontheless.
post #21 of 23
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Oh, and yes, we have hills in Dallas. Not Pittsburgh or San Francisco style hills, but there's some elevation changes nontheless.

Then the thing that will be good for the stamina side of skiing would be to run or bike up them. (though if they are not steep enough, alternating walking lunges with sprints/striding out is fun).
post #22 of 23
Or skate up them using linked lunge turns. Do it without lifting the skates for a really nice outside edge drill. Then do it as straight-line crossovers.
post #23 of 23
I remember skating or skiing (by March everything turned to ice) down a hill near me as a kid right onto and half way across a lake.

Weird on ice skates to skate down the hill. Weird on skis to ski across the lake.
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