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post #31 of 35
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Nice to see my thread resurrected......Steep & Deep at JHMR isn't strictly about hucking cliffs, etc.  It's more of a guided tour of their black and double-black terrain.  If you're looking for a camp where you learn inverted aerials and work on 25' drops, Steep & Deep probably isn't for you. 

post #32 of 35

Here's a couple opinions that I base on experience - just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.


  Generally speaking have found that ski learning programs that are independent of any ONE mountain excel over those that are just at one hill.  Probably because they are free from red tape and can hire exactly who and what they want/or the customer wants.  Also learning programs can be tailor made for just about anyone.


Two examples that I am familar with:   ESA at Big Sky 2 yrs ago,  Squatty Schuler our coach, excellent 4 days, probably the best 4 days of skiing have ever had.  Top notch instruction.


NASTC (Lake Tahoe).  Have attended 4 clinics and went to Portillo with NASTC.  Instruction top notch; Chris Fellows on Demo Team for 2 yrs and Mike Rogan that I can remember.  NASTC has become very sucessful and has basically priced themselves out of my bracket.


Other than the quality of instruction would have to say skiing with Epic Friends/Bears for 4 days was really fun.

post #33 of 35

Jonathan --

The thing to remember is that these camps are not one monolithic thing.  They divide into groups by ability and/or aggressiveness.

At JH, I was in a group near, but not at, the bottom (I like to think if I went back now I'd be in the middle of the pack.)  Several groups skied Corbets.

THere were a couple of groups that come back year after year.  I'm sure these other people would describe the experience differently.


That said, a big part of any specialty S&D program is people who want to ski the best stuff on the mountain but are afraid to do it by themselves.

Some of this shades into just wanting help getting oriented to that terrain on a new mountain in a hurry.

(I addition to JH, I'm thinking of a Breck "Big Mountain Experience" lesson I took with my son.  The three of us - my son, myself, and a stranger -- spanned the gamut of motivations.  Th third guy was actually a decent skier but his family wasn't and he had never skied the top of the mountain.  My son's technique improved dramatically.  I found out about "the windows" which I would never have found on my own.)


Now that I'm paying college tuition, I can't afford a camp, but if/when I do, it will probably be an ESA.

post #34 of 35
Originally Posted by Jonathan Diehl View Post

I'll preface this post this by saying I have read all the posts on here as well as anything else I could get my hands on about various advanced ski camps yet I still don't have my questions really answered.  I had decided this was the year I would finally get organized and register for an advanced camp.  I started to read some of the posts and it makes me hesitant to the spend the money on one.  My impression from most of the advertising is that these camps are supposed to take a skier to the next level but after reading some of the posts I'm not sure if these camps are "right" for me.  When I read of people saying they learned to "keep their hands and weight forward" I am a bit turned off.  My initial thoughts on these camps was that I would be in one of the least experienced groups but when I read things like that I am afraid it will be a waste of money.  I envisioned the worst people at these camps would be people comfortable hucking small cliffs and being totally comfortable on 45+ degree pitches.  My goals are to learn the proper skills to read big drops and link multiple small drops into a nice line.  (I consider big drops to be 25+ feet and small drops to be 10ish feet.)  I was also hoping to gain the instruction to learn how to pick the really amazing lines on 45+ degree pitches.  And maybe to get the confidence and the bit of coaching to throw that first back flip off of a drop.  I am very comfortable skiing high speed gs turns on 40+ pitches.  I ski tuckerman ravine almost ever spring and find no serious thought required for it but have yet to get the confidence to hit the big cliff.  I also skied all of the chutes at A-Basin last year and although I did need to throw a hop turn in here and there where it was tight I generally arced turns through the majority of them.  I was hoping for tweaks on technique and a bunch of instruction on reading and picking lines with a focus on finding the lines that will allow you more challenges yet will flow together.   Which camp do you think would best accommodate my expectations.  Thank you in advance!


Hi, Jonathan.  (and welcome to Epic)


Taking your self-description at face value, I seriously doubt that any "camp" format would be very likely to give you what you're looking for. 


Based on what I've seen here at JH over the years, the level of skiing you've already achieved would put you at the top end of the top group in essentially every camp.  Everybody else in your camp group would be striving to get to a level you've already reached, so the coach would probably have to spend more time with your group mates than with you.


Is price an object?  It sounds to me like what you would really be looking for would be a few private coaching sessions by one of the top freeskiers around.  There are probably a few who do that sort of thing.


Another alternative would be to go heli-skiing in the Chugach for a week.  A lot of those guides can do what you're describing as your goal.  Plus, the conditions are reliably a lot better there than inbounds at any US ski resort.

post #35 of 35

maybe you should try squallywood clinic, it is more for free skiing.



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