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Finally got some video of my skiing

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
...and here it is:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/CCE60...mpilation.aspx

Some background: I skiied a couple times a year in middle/high school, then stopped for my first couple years of college. I finally picked it up again last year, skied for 13 days last year and am up to 22 this year. I feel like I have improved a tremendous amount since I got back into the sport, but I'm really looking to improve my technique. I've never taken lessons, and have gotten to this point by watching other skiiers.

Problems: Is there anything indicative in this video that would be a reason for me having trouble in powder? Any time I've skiied in stuff deeper than 3-4 inches I have a ton of trouble controlling my skis, and my technique and form is horrible. FYI right now I am skiing a Line Chronic in 177 (80 mm waist). My bindings are not center mounted, but are mounted at the all mountain/freeride point ( I think 1 cm back) . However, I dont want to blame the skis - I have trouble in deep snow, and Im thinking it really has to do with my technique.

Any advice/help from you guys would be awesome, regarding anything that would improve my form. Ive seen some great stuff come out of the wisdom of the members of this board.
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by EastCoaster View Post
...and here it is:


Problems: Is there anything indicative in this video that would be a reason for me having trouble in powder?
Anytime you pivot to a skid you will have trouble on anything but groomed. The idea is to have the tail follow the tip of the ski. As my buddy Sidecut always says: You can be a pencil or an eraser.

You are obviously athletic so take a half day private. You wont get what you need on a forum. If you dont get a good instructor just ask for your money back.
post #3 of 16
You should let your skis finish the turn before initiating your next one, like volklskier1 said. Try linking longer turns. You are athletic, couple of lessons would help.
post #4 of 16
You get better as the video progresses. You are in the back seat, big time. Get rid of the pack and try to get centered. There is plenty to work with and you could be a real good skier. Lessons would help.
post #5 of 16
yeah, lessons really help i have had many. my suggestion is to make longer turns and dont force the skis, let them work for you.
But you look really good!
post #6 of 16
The first thing I noticed, is that you move your shoulders and head sideways to initiate a turn. It has a lot of negative sideeffects, so try to keep your upper body stable.
post #7 of 16
For someone who's never taken a lesson, I think you ski pretty well. As Paul Jones said you need to get "centered" but as someone who's never taken a lesson you might be asking what the heck does that mean?

Simply put what it means is that you should be trying to center your weight equally between the tips and tails of your skis. Do you walk around on the balls of your feet? Do you walk with all of your weight resting on your heels? Of course not.

It's only because skis give a skier something fairly long to stand on can anyone have their hips so far behind the feet. Here's a couple of "closed eye" drills that might help you get a better feel for how a centered stance should feel:

1. In a flat area on the hill, get in your normal stance, close your eyes and relax. From this position, gently hop your skis straight up into the air and try and land as softly as possible. If you land softly, your knees and ankles will be slightly flexed and your hips will be centered right over your feet.

2. On a very gentle slope, close your eyes as you traverse for a short distance across the hill. Let your body react naturally to the feelings that are being transmitted through your feet. With your eyes closed, you will develop a centered stance automatically (or of course fall down).

WARNING - DON'T TRY THESE DRILLS WITHOUT A PARTNER!

The whole idea is to feel as if you are standing on your entire foot, much the same as if you were to stand in your ski boots without skis on.

Keep working at it. You're doing great.

Mike
post #8 of 16
Is it a good idea for him to get a more advance short, stiff, small sweet spot 165cm skis to practice on fore/aft balance or backseat problem ? Those skis doesn't like backseat skiing.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by turnmeloose View Post
Is it a good idea for him to get a more advance short, stiff, small sweet spot 165cm skis to practice on fore/aft balance or backseat problem ? Those skis doesn't like backseat skiing.
Then he'd have to turn all the time. Back and Forth,Left Right I'm getting tired all ready. By Lunch his back is going to be killing him.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
Anytime you pivot to a skid you will have trouble on anything but groomed. The idea is to have the tail follow the tip of the ski. As my buddy Sidecut always says: You can be a pencil or an eraser.
I Agree with this statement. You ski in the classic old-school style, up-unweight, pivot, skid, repeat. I suggest you instead, just make your skis move forwards along the edge instead of sideways across the edge. Tip them up to a bigger angle when you want to turn tighter. Find a wide blue groomer, aim the tips down and then tip the skis right up onto their edges (right or left) a lot while letting them run where they want to go and hang on.

Once you have that down, we can talk about powder.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by EastCoaster View Post
Is there anything indicative in this video that would be a reason for me having trouble in powder?
Yep...you're skiing on groomers (correct me if I'm wrong). Spend as much time as possible on whatever natural conditions are available to you and remember to stay out of the backseat. I'm not in agreement that skidding is detrimental to staying controlled and comfy in the pow as long as you're not skidding yourself into the backseat.
post #12 of 16
Hi East Coster. Nice skiing. In the last clip you really showed some good rhythm and nice and round turns. Your stance is pritty ok, telling you to lean forward is easy to do but I think your troubles start elswhere. Im going to give you some quick feedback without reading the others posts so you know Im unbiassed. This is not a proper MA.

First thing that comes to mind is that if you look at your position just after you have crossed the fall line when your skis start spraying snow you will find that you are nicely angulated with some proper counter as well. What happens next is that you stay in this angulated position and start your next turn off by just leaning the other way turning your nice stance into banking. Insted of shifting your angulation through a neutral position over to the other side you lean into the turn and skidd your skis arround with what we call a hip rotation movement. Your upper body should be leaning towards the outside and your hips should be pointing towards the inside of the turn. Now its the other way arround. Your stemming or stepping we see in the video is because at first when you start off and have less speed you cannot bank and rotate your turns arround that well but once you pick up speed and you get into that rhythm of bad habbits you manage to keep your skis parallell.

Your experiance in powder is in line with what I see in your video. In powder you need to skidd your skis more evenly through the turn and try to do the turning from your hipps down with your leggs and not with your upper body and hips rotating towards the outside. Also the stepping is not possible to do in powder. What I would do with you in a lesson is work on very basic wedge and parallell turning on the bunny hill so that you would get a good foundation on how to weight the outside ski and let the ski do the turning all by itself. Check my wedge to parallel progression for a demo.

In old school submerged powder its also important that you have some up and down motion, pumping we call it. Start off by up-unweighting your skis by strongly extending and raising your legs and upper body just before edge shift. After some turns this movement should transfer into down-unweighting where your upper body should remain stable and vertically stationary while your leggs would do all the work. Floating on top is different.
post #13 of 16
Nice athletic skiing for a relative newby.

Just get more aggressive, stop sliding around & use your skis...put em on edge...and get some longer stiffer skis for God sakes....and move out west because you like big turns and high speeds.

post #14 of 16
Eastcoaster,

I agree with other comments. First let me say that I love your relaxed style and ability to move from turn to turn. You use a lot of upper body movements that translate to the ski slowely, so your engagement of the skis in the snow is only at the lower (after the fall line) part of the turn. That also causes no ski engagement with the snow at the top of the turn. A lesson would be of benefit to learn to move diagioanlly into the turn, diagionally out of the turn and into the next. This will cause ski-snow engagement throughout the whole turn. More ankle flex will also help you keep up with the skis better and take the load off your quads.

RW
post #15 of 16
Positive: progressive movements, counter rotation

Keep in mind: let the turns age / no ankles flex, no leverage.

Greetings from Greece

Nassos
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the advice guys. I got out last night and tried to incorporate your comments as much as possible. Its interesting how much of a complete change it is to get out of the backseat and absolutely force yourself into a centered stance with your shins pressed into your boots.

I will take some more video after a couple more weeks of work.

Thanks again!
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