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post #31 of 53
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On a side note, I do find it funny that a great number of , for lack of a better term" Armature free Skiers" Seem to really put down anything to do with lessons. Yet the greats of Free skiing all seem to have some very serious lessons and coaching in their background.
If nothing else If I should ever take the camp the Video of my skiing could win big money over at Americas Funniest Home Vidios.
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
i.e. some of things I wanted to work on was air form, technique in steep rocky areas (billygoating terrain), and keeping relaxed in high-speed crud busting (like after stomping a cliff)...
Tyrone, you seem like a really cool guy, but I'll make damn sure that I'm not in your group should I sign up for a Straightline camp.
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by Utah49 View Post
On a side note, I do find it funny that a great number of , for lack of a better term" Armature free Skiers" Seem to really put down anything to do with lessons. Yet the greats of Free skiing all seem to have some very serious lessons and coaching in their background.
I'm wondering if this was directed at me because of my comment where I said I wasn't looking for a PSIA oriented lesson. I wasn't putting anything down, I just knew what I wanted. I have a lot of coaching in my background from my competitive mogul skiing days, and i used to instruct when I was in HS and college. (only got my Level 1 but then entered the corporate world, and then never had the time nor desire to go any further with it)
post #34 of 53
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Not at you at all. is the stress of running your own ski company making you paranoid or what? ( kidding) You in fact might be making my point. You have had some first class coaching. I was musing about the Clueless and Fearless element you see more and more of on the mountain. Guess i have been watch to many Utube clips
Hope sales have been good to you and are growing.
post #35 of 53
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Not at you at all. is the stress of running your own ski company making you paranoid or what? ( kidding) .
heh...mebee. although running the company is loooong stretch. I just help when I can.

anyway, back on topic

Kevin -- we worked on lots of other things as well. did lots of drills, etc. but some coaches were able to take me (and a few others) aside and work on things that we really wanted to (and apply those drills).
post #36 of 53
Tyrone, irul, Storm, and any others who've attended Str8line or other similar camps -- how were the group splits done? Did you guys all ski together at first for the splits, or fill out questionnaires? A dedicated camp like steeps or bumps can mean lots of things to lots of people -- I'm curious how you make sure you get into a group where you can focus on things you want to. Maybe having more than one coach per group helps?
post #37 of 53
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Tyrone, irul, Storm, and any others who've attended Str8line or other similar camps -- how were the group splits done? Did you guys all ski together at first for the splits, or fill out questionnaires? A dedicated camp like steeps or bumps can mean lots of things to lots of people -- I'm curious how you make sure you get into a group where you can focus on things you want to. Maybe having more than one coach per group helps?
You basically self select. Gordy outlines what the groups (A,B,C) are like and everyone goes to the group they think they belong in. In the camp I was at, there was a big overlap in skill level between all the groups. But if there is a mismatch, it is easy to switch someone from one group to another at lunch when we switch coaches. A day 3 , we mixed the groups up. So we could ski with different people.

Also, you just need to speak up about what you want to do. Based on your input, they will put you in the right group.

I was non-committal and went with Group B. In the Group A description Gordy said “air” and Group A was going w/ Chris Collins. I didn’t want to start camp w/ a 20 footer.

For those asking about being only “Advanced”/not pretty on double diamonds, Group C description sounded like a good match. If you are not sure call and talk to Gordy.

Group size was capped at 6. At the Jan camp there was only 14 campers do to some last second illnesses and injuries. So the groups were 5, 5 and 4. At that size, one coach per group seemed fine.


post #38 of 53

steeps camps

Good info on this thread.
I think topic specific camps are a great idea.
The fact is, many of us spend 80 to 90 % of our time off piste and working on tactics that make those runs feel like we want them to feel is most important. (I say it's the feelings that really matter. I can ski the zipperline fast if i need to, but i'm not a fan of what that feels like, I can land a 20 footer and mach into a crud field, but I don't like that craziness at this point in my life, but i love to flow down a steep technical line making pinpoint turns and enjoying the relaxing touch of snow on ski while listiening to the line the mountain is communicating.)

I did want to point out as someone else did that Eski here at epic(Eric DesLauriers) still runs All Mountain Ski Pros out of Sugar Bowl. He spends alot of his time as head freeride coach for the team but can set up steeps camps. I still teach with him occasionally and work on what I call the old man version of steeps, bumps and technical terrain that I discribed above. Eric and I make a good combo. He's the retired top level freeskier and I'm the ski instructor who teaches people how to ski it softly. We've done camps where we're at sugar bowl for a couple days, then do a day a squaw as well.

anyway, for a plant, an epic group could book eric and i at the bowl for a couple of days and we'd come up with an epic price. www.allmountainskipros.com

Regarding UTAH49 comments about tiger woods or his coach, I've seen this go both ways. Some people ski great and can't teach for _____, but some of us that come from a ski instruction background came as teachers and became good enough skiers to enjoy this level of teaching. Eric D and the X team clinics learned their teaching through 15 years of doing, and I imagine that is what st8line is doing as well. the information is in their bones, they just learn how to communicate what they are doing and probably get better each time they have a successful lesson...

Cheers,

Holiday
post #39 of 53
nice, holiday. thank you.
post #40 of 53
Thread Starter 
The old man version of steeps? Was he talking to me?
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I'm a fan of Eric Deslauriers books. In fact I did have his program in the back of my mind when I was thinking of this.
Please keep the ideas rolling in.
post #41 of 53
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anyway, for a plant, an epic group could book eric and i at the bowl for a couple of days and we'd come up with an epic price. www.allmountainskipros.com
I would be very interested if you put a camp together.


Not having to travel would be nice.


post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Utah49 View Post
The old man version of steeps? Was he talking to me?
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I'm a fan of Eric Deslauriers books. In fact I did have his program in the back of my mind when I was thinking of this.
Please keep the ideas rolling in.
The idea of contacting Holiday for some coaching has been right up front for me for a while.
post #43 of 53
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Holiday, Since eski and you have been around here for some time. Why not come up with some up with some numbers so people get an idea of cost. I have some other ideas I will e mail to you.
post #44 of 53
Hmmm... This is interesting to me for a number of reasons.

First, at the ESAs the groups are designed to handle every level, including the very highest. When Eski coached, that was his focus. In general, there has been a wide enough range that there were many options.

Ever skied Big Sky? The plan was to do some gnarly steeps there, but the snow didn't cooperate. eski (together with Ursula) found goods, anyway.

So, depending on the level of the students and their desired objectives for the event, I think the ESA has as part of its plan to address the highest level of skiers as well as the rest of the possible range.

With ESA Tahoe upcoming, it would be worth a discussion if folks wanted to come for this purpose. Provided there were enough to make a group for one or more coaches, I'm sure that Mike Rogan (as Head Coach) and nolo would be able to set it up in a way that would make it work. Given that this is already planned, including all of the lodging and other necessary arrangements, it seems like this would be a good first step.

Setting up a steeps camp with one of the other organizations is always possible, of course, and we did work with Gordy a bit last year to promote his camps on EpicSki.
post #45 of 53
So, thanks for the positive response.

First, it was not my intention to compete with ESA tahoe at all.

i just wanted to comment on the idea and point out that there are some pretty solid resources close to home for some of us. I respect Eric and he still makes his living teaching steeps. I'm not Eric and now that I spend most of my work time as a desk jockey, I don't want to promote myself. I also will say that as a ski instructor, I beleived ski instructors were underpaid, but looking at rates, camps themselves seem somewhat expensive. Where's the right balance?

I may make some turns in a week or two with Cirquerider and discuss this idea further.

I have to say that i am a big fan of sugarbowl for teaching and skiing steeps.
you get good pitches with some rocks and excitement, but the exposure and length of the runs is shorter then similiar runs at Squaw.
UTAH49, i was talking about how i ski the steeps and bumps. i'm not that old, but i ski well beyond my age . i just like the feeling of low impact and my skiing follows that. I don't think most of us want to bounce off bumps at 30+ mph and be reactive.

that doesn't always mean skiing slowly. i believe that every snow condition mixed with terrain has and ideal turn shape and speed that smooths it out and makes it feel best. My friend Jeff Hamilton (speed skier, olympic medalist and still only man to have crashed on skis over 150mph) says the same thing of his expertise. "there's a point when the speed is right, the tuck is perfect and the pitch comes together and everything just goes calm and quiet"

anyway, i'll touch base with Eric D on this idea and look at his pricing. I believe Cirq and i will ski together and I'll throw out some ideas there as well.

cheer,
holiday
post #46 of 53
Holiday, I'm sorry if I sounded like I thought you were trying to "compete" with ESA Tahoe. Not at all. I'm just eager to see folks take advantage of it, especially since it's coming up very soon and everything is in place to make it work as a 4-day camp for those looking to ratchet their skiing up a level or two. My apologies if my passion delivered any other message.
post #47 of 53
I'm really looking foward to meeting Holiday. We've missed each other in passing, and I'm intrigued by this "desk jockey" with a steeps background. For that matter I'd like to meet dchan .

Here's hoping SierraJim joins up with us.
post #48 of 53

intriguing ideas!

Having skied with Eric twice (first in his ESA at Big Sky group and then on a ski mountaineering trip to Mt. Shasta) I can attest that he is among the best of the best in technique, instruction, guiding skill and judgement, and all-around camraderie. An opportunity to ski with him should not be missed!
post #49 of 53
Great Idea.

All Mountain Ski Pros provided one of those quantum-leap-in-skiing experiences that I'll never forget. I've improved a lot since then, but what i learned there created the platform for my skiing to progress. Changed my skiing life. I still may not be in your league, but i can go pretty much anywhere, anytime.

It was one of those apparently rare times that Sugarbowl had not seen snow in a very long time and the conditions were "challenging." Now when i'm faced with terrain that might look scary, i just think back to that one little icy, lumpy chute with the big rock outcroppings on either side and say, shoot, if i could ski that... and then off i go!

BTW, a bump camp at Jane with Rusty Guy is a great idea too! If AMSPs was one awesome learning experience, Rusty's the other.
post #50 of 53
I handle the registration and do the group assignments for ESA using a questionnaire. On it the great majority of our students say they come for steeps and bumps instruction and rate themselves advanced or expert in ability. This is perhaps more so with our Snowbird academies, but we try to choose resorts that have plenty of yikes terrain as well as a lot of wide open low angle stuff for our novice and intermediate students--and for the advanced and expert skiers who also can benefit from a safe learning environment at times. (At Snowbird we call that place Alta.) Our coaches, including Eric DesLauriers, who hasn't worked for us in a couple of years due to his busy schedule with his many business interests, including the X-Team Clinics and All-Mountain Ski Pros, are world-famous for their ability to coach and inspire aspiring-to-be-great skiers. ESA students (especially the guys) who have had the opportunity to ski with Ursula Howland (Little Bear here at EpicSki) are nuts about her--one fellow said he'd lie down and cry like a baby if he couldn't ski with her again this year! It was Megan Harvey's first year as a coach at ESA Aspen, but I will wager every last one of her students returns next year and requests--or demands--her again.

We want ESA to be for all skiers--and not to be pigeonholed as exclusively for any one type of skier be they expert, advanced, intermediate or novice, and we want to give every level of skier access to the very best ski instruction available. EpicSki Academy is not an elitist camp that only serves those who already can ski well, but one that celebrates the journey that we all share, though we may be at different mileposts on the road to skiing Nirvana.

ESA sets a very high standard for coaches, so high that the PSIA divisions have awarded education credit to instructors who have attended. You may never have heard of Mike Rogan, Jerry Berg, and Nick Herrin, or Megan Harvey, Jenny MacArthur, and Robin Barnes, but professional skiers and coaches know, respect and seek them out for their own training--I know because I do! Some of the coaches will be more to your liking than others, and we try to get you with the right coach for you or we keep trying.

You could create your own Steeps Clinic or you might consider coming to the "steeps clinic" at ESA Tahoe. We'll have bootfitter Bud Heishman available to help you see if the grass might be greener for you with better alignment of your equipment. We'll put Mike Rogan with the Alpha Group, and beg Ullr for plentiful snow to cover the steep stuff and mold into fields of bumps. We've already jumped through the necessary hoops to bring in a custom program to ski areas on Forest Service permits, booked the lodging and meeting space, and all the myriad other arrangements (tshirts, swag, social progressions) that go into an organized event.

Hope to see you there, March 18-22. We'll be skiing Alpine Meadows and Squaw Valley. The Gathering of the Barking Bears begins the day after ESA ends.
post #51 of 53
Hi Nolo,
As I said to SSH, my intention wasn't to funnel off ESA tahoe. I'm glad you guys are coming to town and though I've never skied with Mike Rogan, I know of his reputation. I have skied with Nick Herrin and Chris Fellows (another local demo team member) and they both rip. Nick is playful and energetic with a keen eye. And of your whole list, I'd love to ski with Jerry Berg. I've only talked to him in Moab after a MTB ride, but he was an influence for me with his skiing and image in Lito's tapes.

you guys definitely get some great clinicians. To give you another vote, I will reiterate what I once said to Nolo when she invited me to teach... "I don't think I'm quite the caliber of your demo team level coaches".

I will also say, as much as much as I'm a fan of the demo team and they are on top of their games, personally, the top of your coach list for me would be Jerry Berg, Weems and Nolo. As much as being razor sharp on your skis is great, i really like the depth of experience that comes from lifelong teachers like these three. That's another thread, but I'm definitely saying the coaching at esa is great, not that you need my vote of confidence.

Have a great trip and Nolo, my invite is still in place if you need a room. It's nice room, as I just built my house last year.

Cheers and enjoy Alpine.

Holiday
post #52 of 53
Let's talk, Wade. It would be great to have you (and ESki) involved! Thanks for the generous offer to stay in your new room, but I better stay at the Granlibakken with the group. Thanks also for your kind words and the company you have me in. I am humbled.
post #53 of 53

guest appearance

Hi Nolo,
I spoke with Eric today...
he thought maybe we should show up for a guest appearance for a couple hours sometime... I'd be in...

It would be fun to ski w/ the bears....

Cheers,
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