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Tree Skiing and Normal Ski Damage

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Two questions.

1)What is considered normal damage from skiing some tree runs?

I know this is a "depends" answer so I would like to hear any thoughts.

2)Do you use a separate pair of skis for skiing in the trees?

I'm sure this may depend on the snow conditions as you would use a powder ski on powder days and may only ski the trees on these days.

My wife and I have recently ventured into the trees but I am concerned with how hard it is on the edges and bases.
post #2 of 22
you are right about the "depends".

Generally I ski in trees with little regard for my edges and bases.

If the coverage is good, your edges will be fine. They are much stronger than the wood in the tress.

As far as the bases, usually it's more a build up of tree sap than any "impact damage" that is the problem. A hot scrap or citrus cleaner will fix this problem.

The only other damage to be concerned with is direct impact with a tree or log but if you hit one of these, I suspect you will be more concerned with the condition of your body than the condition of your skis.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
What about rocks?

That seems to have done a number on the edges.

I went down one glade that had awesome coverage and then dumped into another one that said thin cover.

Stupidly I continued instead of bailing and ended up on a very steep grade of rock and ice which was fine to get down but really did a number on our skis.
post #4 of 22
some base gouging and filing of edges is normal, as quite often there is not enough coverage. For every day of treeskiing I do, I usually get a few scratches on the bases and a little dulling of edges in a few places. Gouges that need ptex are not uncommon either. Of course, I'm using a set of skis I bought for $125 and don't really care about.
post #5 of 22
Originally posted by Scalce:
What about rocks?

That's one of the "depends!"

if the coverage is good, rocks are not usually a problem. Of course my experience is mostly Western Skiing and I don't usually go into the trees if it looks "marginal"
post #6 of 22
Skiing glades, trees or sous-bois also means treating your skis to more than just snow and ice. A winter like this one, so far in New England, means that rock skis are best in the trees. Most gladed runs have a boney spot or two that send me to the bench repairing bases and filing the edges. The $125 beater skis take the sting out of the rock hits though.

E-bay has been a good source for rock skis for me. Hang on to your old SKI magazine equipment guides and pick up some good stuff cheap.

Another philosophy is that all skis are rock skis and just beat away until new skis are required. The worst approach is saying "Hey man let me borrow your skis for a run" and blow an edge.
post #7 of 22
I will say this: skis are meant to be skied on. I blew out an x-scream edge in the glades. It sucks, but it happens, and if I was worried about my bases and edges all the time I wouldn't ski half the stuff I do and I wouldn't have made such a leap in skill in the past year.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
I am so used to having nice polished edges and bases with no hits that it pains me to see any damage.

But since I love skiing in the trees and tuning skis it all works out.

I just need to stop babying them and ski.

It's like having a new car and getting that first ding.
post #9 of 22
Congratulations Scalce , you now have your first pair of rock skis !
post #10 of 22
skis are tools. if you want to ski the trees, accept the potential for damage that may come along with the fun of skiing trees.
and yeah, beater skis help.
post #11 of 22
Any recommendations for rock/tree skis to look for on Ebay? My first thought is for older Rossi Bandits, but any other suggestions for cheap skis that fit the bill would be appreciated - thanks.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
I just hate the thought of not being on my good skis that I spent alot of money on and now I am 100% dialed into how they handle.

Plus lugging around 4 sets of skis for my wife and I is a painful thought.

Although I would get to tune 4 pairs of skis.


I think I will just invest in more ptex ribbon, ptex iron, and some other stuff.
post #13 of 22
Trees are actually harder on woodcore (as opposed to foamcore) skis. Though they are really aiming for you! Payback is a branch!
post #14 of 22
Remember were not racers so our edges don't have to be perfect. Skis our replaceable. Unless you have a core shot, most base damage is not felt while skiing. I ski the trees a lot. Don't worry about the skis just use your head. It may be better to walk around a bare spot then to try and ski around it.

Two weeks ago Hairybones and I found out why Killington had closed Julio. We were both careful and may it out with out any damage.
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
One spot where my wife and I got stuck was very narrow and steep with just ice and rock.

It would have been dangerous to hike down it so we had to ski and sideslip down it which sucked.

It really should have been closed and we told customer service that.

They had plenty of other glades open so I am not sure why they chose to keep the horrendous one open.

Probably to pad their stats.

Bretton Woods is going downhill anyway.
post #16 of 22
Ski the Trees! It's where to find some of the best conditions and certainly visibilty on a bad day.

Use your normal skis; if they get damaged fix them or buy a new pair. I agree with rightcoast- skis are tools.

About 20 years ago, I ran into a tree with a ski and bent the ski to almost a 90 degree angle. I sent the skis back to Rossignol with bark still imbedded in the base and they sent me back a brand new pair - no questions asked!
post #17 of 22
This is confusing. You started another thread at the same time, saying you bent a ski and are getting a warranty replacement. Different pair? :
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
The R11s are bent and are at Atomic now.

I am getting the new ones this week.

I just wanted to know how hard tree skiing is on skis so I don't keep destroying them.

I just figured an all mountain ski can handle trees and bumps without getting messed up.
post #19 of 22
you ski hard, stuff gets destroyed. It happens. At least you're getting a warranty replacement. Salomon won't replace my X-screams.
post #20 of 22
For sure, stuff gets busted when you're skiing hard. I bent the tail of a G3 last year by landing way back off a whoop-de-do, and Volkl made good on the warranty; thank you very much! You might want to spread some of those claims around, though. Pretty soon the shops will be mysteriously be closed whenever you show up.
post #21 of 22
Originally posted by aschir01:
Any recommendations for rock/tree skis to look for on Ebay? My first thought is for older Rossi Bandits, but any other suggestions for cheap skis that fit the bill would be appreciated - thanks.
Something turny for sure; Bandits aren't too tough though so I'd be a little wary of them. Never having had the privilege of skiing out east I'd leave the specific recommendations to someone else. However, old Atomic beta ride 9.22s spring to mine for some reason as being turny and tough-as-nails. Volkls are tough too.
post #22 of 22
you can usually find cheap lines and other twintips on ebay. Most are nice and short and perfect for the trees. Just get the bindings mounted a little bit back if you don't like centermount (1-2 CM).
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