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Ankle Movements and Stance on steeper pitches

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Probably not the most accurate title, but here goes...

I am a self-taught carver, so my technique is not the greatest and I want to tighten it up. I have no problem getting up on my edges, turning with no skid, etc... My one problem is that my skis, sometimes, want to go in slightly different directions. My outside ski wants to do a shorter turn than my inside ski, at times. I have been exploring and think it may be due to my edge angles... The outside ski being at a higher angle. Is this likely the case? I was exploring with rolling my inside ski farther up on edge by 'rolling' my ankle, and it seemed to cause them to stay parallel better, but I did not feel as stable. Am I doing the right thing? Do edge angles have to be almost exactly the same or is there something else causing this?

Also, When I get on steeper terrain (the steeper east coast black groomers), I feel like i'm out of control and can't get my edges to hold. I have a feling it is due to being in the back seat, Once a hit a certain pitch, I can't control myself as well, and I feel like i'm being taken for a ride...even after this as soon as I get on a slightly lower pitch, I can take control again.... And the pitch difference between control and out of control is a VERY fine line. Stance problem?
post #2 of 11
Is your innerski completely parallel to the outerski? Are your skis maybe a bit in a reversed V-shape?:
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
I've never actually looked, but I know that when I initiate a turn my skis are parallel as soon as the edges engage, but it seems like as soon as they engage, they move in a slightly different direction. Also, by rolling my ankle and putting the inside ski at a higher edge angle, it alleviates the problem but I lose stability/balance.

This was never an issue on my Escape 5500s, but when I got my Salomon 720s which are a much softer more flexible ski, it seems to be a slight issue. I've also tried carving on my K2 Fours, which are VERY flexible and the problem is magnified. Are the more flexible skis forcing me to use better technique by putting them at equivalent edge angles, or is this all a moot point... It seems to me: Stiffer ski = Less Focus necessary on edge angle.

Oh, and about the reverse V, that's what happens... When they start running on edge (not as soon as on edge), they carve different directions which ends up putting me in a V shape.
post #4 of 11
Concentrating on the inside ski is good ... don't worry about outside ski except for balancing on it. Also important, be sure inside ski doesn't get way ahead of outside ski ... think foot pullback on inside ski while tipping it.

If skis are not pretty much equal fore-and-aft then you will get divirgence simply because of the geometry of two circles not having the same center! This problem magnified by shaped skis like K2 Four and other modern skis.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
If memory serves correct (I've always been taught to watch where i'm going.. don't watch my skis), The tip of the inside ski leads by around an inch. Is that too much tip lead?

BTW, I'm going to try to get some video this weekend to post. Then you guys can tear it apart.
post #6 of 11
Sounds like your tip lead is fine. Divergent skis (reverse wedge) is a pressure management problem perhaps or an alignment issue. Try some counter rotation prior to your turn in the transition phase and then as you engage your edges progressively charge into and downhill through the turn. If that doesn't help call me in the morning.
post #7 of 11


Slider, I'm calling you in the PM. Your tips work fine and Iive added extension down the hill to the tip and the turn etc. is feeling good. thanks Doc.
post #8 of 11
Glad I could give ya a push start Pete. If you ever get a notion to head South come on by the Ranch and will take yafor a spin on the Mt.
post #9 of 11
Divergent tips can also be a sign of some upper body tipping to the inside, or rather should I say that if the inside ski tail moves across and gets near or touches the tail of the outside ski, this can be caused by tipping up top. When the body moves inside and the upper body tips, we need to create a base underneath and the tail of ski inside ski gets directed toward the outside tail.

What can help correct this? Shoulders that are level with the snow surface combined with directing the inside hip toward the tip of the inside ski can help keep the movement of that tail to a minimum.
post #10 of 11
Diverging skis is also an indication of having the pelvis too square to the outside ski.
As the normal stance is for the feet to splay outwards slightly, when the pelvis aligns with the outside ski, the the inside legs manifests itself with combined splay of both legs.

Allowing a small amount of counter to exist during the turn should eliminate most of the divergence.
post #11 of 11
The problem can also be pronation of the foot in the boots. The outside ski has more load and will pronate more than the inside ski. As a result you will tip the outside ski more than the inside ski and rotate over the top to compensate. Have your alignment checked. If alignment may or may not be the problem.
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