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Goggles icing/fogging?!

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I haven't had a problem with my scott goggles fogging at all, this year. The $10 gordini ones I had fogged up all the time. I ski in 25 F weather, and the scott goggles don't fog. I'm pleased.

Well, then we have a cold snap here in MN. I had to be at on the hill training for ski patrol Sunday morning, and it was -15 F and windy. I was dressed for the weather, and warm. My goggles soon began to fog and promptly freeze, on the lift. There was a big spot of ice on them at the top of the hill. 2-3 runs down the hill (with the toboggan), and I couldn't see anything out of the goggles. I would take the goggles off, and my eyelashes would freeze together, and I couldn't see anything that way. I went inside, and thawed them out and dried them off. I went back out, and in one run the goggles were iced over again. So, someone tells me to smear dishsoap on the insides, and then wipe the soap off. That idea sounds like it might work.

So, I do the soap on the goggles thing. It made them ice up even faster, and I must've been laughed at, as I had two little melted spots in all the ice inside my goggles, right in front of my eyes. It looked funny when I took the goggles off and looked at them. And, as I thawed the goggles again, I was greeted with a pleasant dishsoap scent.

I went skiing last night, and it was about -10 F. I was one of 3 people at my local ski area skiing. Nobody was there.

Tomorrow night, I have on the hill training again. Tomorrow's high temp is like 5 F. Any quick ways to make the things not fog up and freeze again? I mean ways that don't involve going and buying anti-fogging stuff? Something I might have laying around the house?

If it isn't possible to find stuff around the house, what is a good product to make them not fog up (and proceed to ice up)?

post #2 of 23
buy a pair of oakleys.

okay, in all honesty, I think you're ruining your goggles by applying anything, especially dish soap. Goggles come from the factory with a defogging coating on them, if you wiped them on the inside of the lens vigorously or even just a little when they were wet, they may be ruined.

The key to any goggle, cheap or expensive, is keep it clean, don't wipe the inside of the lens and don't take it off your face when it's snowing. Don't set it on your forehead either, ever. This is an added benefit to helmets, they keep the sweat from evaporating onto your lens.

Follow those rules and any scott, smith or oakley will last a few winters.
ps, your goggles are ruined. sorry.
post #3 of 23
cat crap and a new lense are in order. (cat crap is a goggle cleaning product that does well preventing fog)
post #4 of 23
I do this when I'm skinning uphill - put the goggles on my forehead with the goggle bag inside of them between the lens and my forehead. When I'm done with the transition and ready to head downhill I put the goggles back over my face right before I start making turns.

No fog.

Hate to tell you this but samurai is right re: the factory coating. Cat Crap is pretty useful stuff, too. Keep it in the freezer between uses and over the summer to keep it from separating.
post #5 of 23
If your goggles are fogging up on the inner side of the lens, go faster. If that dosen"t work, try sunglasses. If your goggles are iceing up on the outside try a scraper. A good bottle-opener attached to your glove can work really well in icy conditions. (also for the micro brew in the lot).
On the serious side, try some different goggles.
post #6 of 23
I have to say that the factory coating is nice, but over time it's pretty much impossible not have have something get on it that needs removing. Bye bye factory coating. I'm sure not buying new goggles just because that original coating is gone. What I do use is one of those fog cloths you can get in any on-mountain shop. It works okay MOST of the time. BUT, on those really, really cold days, the factory coating and the fog cloth can't work if the inside of the lens gets hit by sub-zero air. The reason is that these coatings expect to have SOME amount of time for the wetness that causes the fog to STAY WET. On really cold days, you exhale, it hits the subzero surface of a lens and INSTANTLY freezes. The coating has no time to react. The only way to fix this is by keeping the inside of the lens warmer OR by not exhaling through your mouth when you are standing still, leaning over, etc. Keep your goggles on your face and they should stay warmer. If you have to remove them for some reason, make sure that you breathe just through your nose while checking out the trail map or HOLD your breath while you adjust that boot buckle or whatever (any time you angle your head down). As to the handwarmer thing, that's the second time I've heard that trick in the last week, but I haven't tried it yet.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ok. I set them on my forehead all the time. The goggles would freeze instantly, most of the time.
post #8 of 23
Hey, sibhusky,

they look silly, but avert precisely what you speak of.
post #9 of 23
Yeah, I agree with what is said above, and would add: don't take your goggles off!
Once you put them on your eyes, don't put them on your forehead, etc, but keep them on your eyes - that will help.
post #10 of 23
Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Hey, sibhusky,

they look silly, but avert precisely what you speak of.
I have a neoprene face mask already for sub-zero days. It seems to direct exhalations from my mouth up into the goggles. I'm not going to court frost bite, so replacing that mask with this smaller item might eliminate the fogging problem, but bring on a bigger problem, i.e., part of my face falling off.
post #11 of 23
Not kidding... you can put 'em on your forehead if you use the goggle bag...

I also ski with these on days I'm not using the goggles to keep my face warm. These glasses rock and don't fog up as badly as goggles do. The face hugging foam keeps out the wind and snow and the glasses profile helps exhalations not end up in your lenses. Not foolproof but I don't wear goggles nearly as much as I used to.

post #12 of 23
Put your goggles on inside the lodge before you go outside.
post #13 of 23
Goggles... I refuse to pay more than $25. for them because at best, I get a season out of them. Admittedly I wipe them in and out with a paper napkin when they fog and generally abuse them by leaving them in the car,etc but I am of the opinion they are just too delicate to spend real money on.
post #14 of 23
I tried all of the above (almost) and they didn't work. The only solution I found after trying many models of goggles were the Smith Knowledge turbo fan series. They are helmet and eyeglass compatible. It has a turbo fan up top with a two speed setting for the fan. The top speed clears out the fog pretty quick even when I've really worked up a sweat in very cold weather (-10F). Others at Loveland swear by them too. You can buy four types of lenses and replacement lenses for these goggles. You can go through the PSIA/NSP website for purchase. Click on the Smith logo. It will take you to the Smith website. You'll like the professional's price.
post #15 of 23
DS - you won't be able to get the pro price without being a registered PSIA member because you have to log in to get there.

The #1 secret for stopping goggles from fogging is to wear your clothing such that excess body heat can not escape upwards from the chest to the face. Layer differently, neck gaiter, unzip the jacket a bit, snorkel with a neoprene mask( ) are all potential solutions. If you must dress like an Eskimo, fan type goggles will do the job. If your goggles start fogging during extreme conditions, check the foam vents to make sure they have not become clogged. If you're a do it yourself kind of person, make the vent holes bigger.
post #16 of 23
Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
but bring on a bigger problem, i.e., part of my face falling off.
It overlaps the balaclava.
post #17 of 23
Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
I have a neoprene face mask already for sub-zero days. It seems to direct exhalations from my mouth up into the goggles. I'm not going to court frost bite, so replacing that mask with this smaller item might eliminate the fogging problem, but bring on a bigger problem, i.e., part of my face falling off.

Do you have a hole for your mouth on that mask? I'm going to cut a small hole in my baclava ...ok done.
post #18 of 23
Originally Posted by buzz View Post
Do you have a hole for your mouth on that mask? I'm going to cut a small hole in my baclava ...ok done.
I've often thought of doing that, but never at the same time I had access to scissors. (It's in my locker at the mountain.)
post #19 of 23
my (free) spy soldier goggles fog and ice worse than any pair ive ever had. If i have to spend money on my next pair im going to go with the scott? turbofan. i dont care how gaper it is, they work.
I use cat crap all the time, it seem to be hit or miss, some days it works like a charm and others im ray charels on skis
post #20 of 23
I've always enjoyed storm skiing. There is the battle for the outside of the goggle and the battle for the inside. My strategies are for the vast majority of us that don't have a pair of expensive fan goggles. Despite all the marketing blah blah I've ever seen on how this or that goggle won't fog, or how this or that coating or wipe will help, every goggle I've ever owned eventually looses the factory coating and must be dealt with in the usual ways below. Generally one will have less goggle problems when temps are at least several degrees below freezing. Then snow just bounces off the outside goggle surface.

The worst situation for goggles is when precipitation is occurring with the base of a lift in above freezing temperatures while the top of a lift is at well below freezing temps. Down at the bottom rain and sleet will form water on the outside of a goggle then while rising up on the lift that water will freeze to a glaze like making the view like looking through a shower door. One thing that can help is having some wipes that will soak up excess water on the outside of the goggle without having to dig into a pocket. Dry or squeegy the water off goggles while riding up the lift at the bottom before they can freeze. Then if one has a good parka hood, try and shield one's goggle from snow/sleet/rain. Everything on storm days can be an effort to deal with. One tool I've used is little squeegies mounted on the back of my gloves. I also have several pieces of cheap synthetic chamois in my parka's large side pockets. They work better than the squeegies but may require more time and effort including taking a glove off to hold. Eventually they will themselves also be too soaked with water. Thus the reason to have several. One can easily squeeze most water out of soaked ones, but dry ones will work best. Ordinary tissue paper of course works fine but then one ends up with a pocket full of wet tissues.

One of the most important things I do on storm days is put all my head gear on in a dry place like inside my car or a building and then resist the temptations to take things off if precipitation is falling. Especially the goggles. That is because the inside surface of goggles have less chance of fogging up if one's skin is dry. Human skin is like a sponge. Allow snow or rain to fall on it and it will absorb water. Then body heat is likely to vaporize that water in the skin which is likely to condense as liquid on the surface of the inner goggle plastic. As that gets cold enough due to freezing temps at upper elevations, it may form glazed frozen patches on the inside surface. There are times like after an equipment yardsale that one 's head becomes all wet. If the fogging is that annoying, one just ought to take a break somewhere inside a building where warm dry air is blowing. I bought a portable air blower that plugs into my cars 12v cigaret lighter so sometimes just sit in my car a bit drying off my hair and face. Otherwise if it really stops precipitating awhile, use that as an opportunity to flip up a goggle and let the air dry one's skin while on the lift.

Exerting oneself can also cause sweat to occur and about the only solution is a fan. Fortunately I personally don't sweat a lot in cold weather unless I'm climbing up a ridge or working bumps. And not likely to be doing the later on fresh days. --dave
post #21 of 23
I quit wearing goggles years ago. If you perspire heavily, there isn't a goggle that won't fog up. Years ago I was riding the lift with a guy from Scott and he as much as told me so, which put an end to my permanant search.
post #22 of 23
My goggles use to always fog and then I got a helmet. I have not had them fog since. I have no idea if others have had this experience or not.
post #23 of 23
I have had the same experience as Pierre.
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