|I concur with many of your ideas, but I still take exception to one. The idea of actively twisting/rotating the torso toward the outside of the turn, as compared to the ski turning below a stable torso is where you and I differ.
I consider the pelvis to be part of the torso/ upper body. The lower body begins at the hip joint.
|Ric,,, we're not that far apart. We're seeing the same thing, just defining how it happens differently. You see the development of counter in a turn as a "stable torso" because it appears to you to remain orientated in the same compass direction while the direction of the skis change through the turn.
I have been wondering how to enter a discussion on the very subject that is being discussed here for fear of being blasted because I could not explain well enough what I am doing.
I have been working on this very transition for the time the ski hill has been open this year. For the last few years I have been trying to rectify things that were said to me by Mike Rogan with the bulk of the examiners. A discussion by Bud H in an earlier thread this winter set off the light bulb when he said the words “Ski into anticipation”.
I am convinced that it is possible to be both what Rick says and what Bud H and VSP say.
About 4 years ago Mike Rogan showed me Ricks hip movement as a pre turn exaggeration and claimed it was the key to getting a very smooth progressive edge high in the turn. That movement was totally backwards to everything I had heard up to that point.
I have managed to get a very smooth transition and what I call “The Mike Rogan turn” over the last four years. One thing was still bothersome at times and showed up in very finished swooping turns at low speeds. That problem was the occasional lag in the inside foot that gave me a momentary feeling of disconnect right at turn transition.
What I have sense come to realize is that on can ski the skis back under the upper body into a state of anticipation but with the hips more aligned with the skis than the upper body. I feel a slight tension through the oblique muscles at the core when I do this.
That slight twist is very small in the torso and is much more intense in shorter radius turns. That when release right at transition the energy from that slight twist is transferred through the core right to the inside ski and bammo, no little disconnect on the new inside ski. In fact there is a big feeling of power even in slow turns out of the top of the turn.
So am I saying that the hips are not part of the torso? No what I am saying is that the hips are part of the torso 97% but what Rick says about that little hip twist/projection is also correct and was shown to me by Mike Rogan four years ago.
I probably should not say little twist because in reality you ski into that little twist with the skis against a stable upper body instead of originating that twist as an upper body movement. To say it another way the hips follow the skis a little more that the torso.
That is my current understanding as of about two weeks ago. Trying to teach this is fraught with problems like asking for rotation or counter rotation. Its not something I would share with a student under level 9