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Racers: Value of Waxing

post #1 of 6
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For all the racers, and ex-racers, I am looking for your comments:

On a "typical" NASTAR course of 25 seconds, how much time can be saved by waxing with high flor wax, and "designer" overlays for each run, as opposed to a weekly hydrocarbon hot wax? What are some of the overlays that have worked for you? Is it worth the hassle?

What are the value of other "purchased technology" i.e. GS race suit, etc. to lower times (handicaps).

I fully understand that the most important thing for faster times is technique, technique, technique. That is a separate kind of investment.

I am just a beginner at "beer league" racing and need all the help and advice I can get.
post #2 of 6
High floro waxes are typically used in wet/warm conditions. They must have water to work. They are useless on cold/dry days and will even slow you down. They do now have cold temp floro's, but I have never used them. Under the right conditions, a racer with the proper wax is untouchable by someone without it. Even in beer leagues, the top racers have all the right stuff. It takes money to race competatively in a league. Do you have a dedicated race ski?

As far as once a week hydrocarbon waxing goes, inspect you ski bases. What do they look like. How many days a week do you ski?
They should be well maintained, not dried out and gray looking. Before your race day, wax them up, scrape, and buff them out. Do not leave the wax on thick, it will be sticky. Less is more here. Well maintained skis turn and glide better, therefore you will have better times.

Nastar and league races are timed in the 100th of a second, so anything you can do to your advantage is helpful.

As far as speed suits are concerned, I've heard people say they improve times dramatically. I personally wear regular thin ski pants and a Spyder zip neck in my league.
Maybe this year I'll add a suit.

There are some real racers on this forum, I'm sure we'll hear from them.
post #3 of 6
I don't think that speed suits are allowed under NASTAR's rules.
post #4 of 6
Yuki, Oh yes they are. They talked about eliminating them, but it never happened.

What is your take on them?

When I said dramatically, I mean like 1/4 second over a 20 second run. That's a lot for being able to buy it. If that's true, I need to get one.
post #5 of 6
Izzy, Spending lots of money on high floro waxes and overlays for local league racing would not be a good return on your investment. Those types of waxes are best used for speed events (SG/DH). All you will need is a high quality hydocarbon or low floro hot wax.

Where it will pay off, is to spend some money on high quality tuning equipment, such as a good wax iron, edge/base bevels, scraper, and brushes (1 brass, 1 nylon).

Scraping/Brushing is one the best (and often overlooked) ways to get all of the speed out of your skis. There are many good guides out there explaning how to race prep skis, so I won't go into a lot of details, but after hot waxing and scraping, my advice would be to brush, brush, brush, and then brush some more. By getting the excess wax out of the ski's structure, and polishing the base with a nylon brush, you will be amazed how well the ski will glide.

A speed suit will also be a good investment. Our local race league uses a 30 second course based on a modified NASTAR set. We have done a lot of testing, and found a speed suit will take off nearly 1 full second from a racers time vs. using traditional ski clothing.

Good Luck, and I hope this info helps. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 14, 2001 08:11 AM: Message edited 1 time, by TJ ]</font>
post #6 of 6
You only have to spend $$ on fluoro waxes when the conditions warrant it. As was mentioned above, generally wet, humid spring like snow conditions call for high fluoro levels in the wax, however..dirty, contaminated snow can require a bit of fluoro as well. Fluoro's are not simply for speed events. You put a properly waxed ski vs. an improperly waxed ski in any event and guess who will win 99% of the time (given the skiers are at equal levels)?
One other note...if you're really concerned about speed..do not use a nylon brush as a final polish..it will generate static which attracts impurities to your ski base, ultimately slowing you down. Nylon is a good all purpose brush but for polishing, horsehair is best.
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