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Just got my first pair of skis and don't think I should have got these bindings...

post #1 of 8
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I am 20 years old, between the ages of 10-15 I used to go 10+ times a winter. Through my school I was able to go up to Sierra Summit (Central California) and get a packaged deal for $12 that included rental, optional half-day lesson and all mountain lift ticket. Unfortunately around the time I was 15 they stopped that deal.

Being young and having 3 other siblings it was hard to ever go up unless I really saved or it was some type of holiday. Once I got my drivers license all my friends I used to go with who also got the same deal never wanted to go, or would flake out on me at the last minute. I was lucky to go once a year.

This year I met some new friends and started going more, in the past month I've gone up three times. I enjoy/love it enough that I'll happily take trips up by myself.

Anyway I'm getting off topic so here we go...

I am 6'4", 185lbs. I'm not sure what to consider my skill level. I feel comfortable carving anything Sierra Summit has. A few black-diamond runs. And though I haven't ski'd switch much at all I feel comfortable in the parks doing the easier flat boxes (no rails yet) and I'll clear any of the table-tops/step ups. The only thing that psychs me out is the big step-downs with the 6ft drops and 15-20 foot gaps. I feel comfortable enough in the air to do little tweaks and what not. So I felt it was time to invest in some skis and confirm my future as a "skier"

I got a great deal on 179 k2 Public Enemies (ugliest ski I've ever seen) skis, $255 for last years model. I then went to a huge Sports Chalet and tried on several boots. The "fitter" there actually seemed knowledgeable and I ended up with the Salomon Foil (astonishingly they had my size too, 30.5), though more than I wanted to spend (roughly $400 after tax) it fit great and seemed the most comfortable shape for my foot. I also got a pair of Silencer poles for $30

So I had the boots and skis, now time for the bindings. I went into sports chalet again, told the guy what skis I had, roughly my style. I told him that I'm new to buying skis and had never paid much attention to gear until late.

I know the basics about DIN settings, different ski types and what not, I knew I wanted a ski that I could spend 50% of my time in the park and 50% of my time on everything else. So out of a selection of roughly 6 bindings he recommended last years Atomic Neox 310, and also informed me it was on clearance for $79. I thought about it for a minute, and went with it.

I had him mount it. In the mean time I did some more research on bindings and discovered freestyle riders typically want bindings with no lift. And that the Neox isn't really considered a freestyle binding.

So on Friday I took the Skis out for a ride, having only skied rentals before, in contrast they skied freaking magnificently. After two rides down the hill I really felt like a better skier than I've ever been. They are a little on the heavy side, when on the lift the back of my thigh starts to get sore from the chair, it's always happened to me though, it just seems a little worse.

Besides that I really have no complaint, I don't have a lot of experience to compare to though. I'm wondering if I'm getting less out of my ski because of the wrong binding choice. In all reality, I have no complaints, the skis, binding and boots all felt great to me but I'm wondering what am I really missing by not having a non-lifted binding?

Any information, input, links to literature to read would be welcome.
post #2 of 8
I don't know a thing about freestyle. Used to be, no bindings had lifts. With shaped skis, though, lift helps prevent "boot out" a bit (may not be an issue with you) and I think it is supposed to help in pressuring the ski when you turn. It's more of a racing thing, but I can't figure out why it would make a difference to freestyle one way or the other.
post #3 of 8
you got the wrong bindings alright . Atomic bindings are friggin HEAVY!!!, they are goin to drag your proformace down in the park. I have last yrs PE as well as the 310 bingings( they are mounted on my m9s not the PEs). I swear, the bindings are heavier than my skis, its ok when you're carving wide gs turns ( for me anyways ) but they are NOT for park. If you can still return the bindings, get a pair of salomons or Look lifters, they are really light. I ski about 30% groomers and 70% park so i know what you mean. Also how far back is your PEs mounted?
post #4 of 8
Don't know much about Atomics being dramatically heavier, but yes a lighter binding would be nicer in the park. It may not necessarily be worth it b/c you will have to redrill the skis for the second time. That won't affect the performance of the skis now, but hurts long-term resale value...

The bigger concern, and potential area to shave some weight off your feet might be your boots. What size shoes do you wear?
post #5 of 8
Not that I'm a freestyler myself, but I hit the boxes every-so-often (on a set of Volkl 4-stars, don't ask), and I think the deal with what is preferred in a full-blown park setup goes as thus:

1) Bindings that are low weight are obviously good for in-the-air control.
2) Low-stack-height/no-lift is about getting your feet closer to the base for enhanced stability when you jib rails/boxes.
3) I think the kind of bindings that feature some sort of ski flex compensation system (ie Neox Full-flex) aren't preferred for the fact that they tend to be heavier than the simpler fixed/separate toe/heel bindings, feature increased stack height (due to both the flex-compensation mechanism and the designed-in lift to increase edge leverage), and their ski flexion advantages aren't really manifested in park skiing (not much carving going on there).

That said, some of the features that make your Neox bindings less-than-ideal for freestyle do offer tangible advantages in regular, non-park skiing. Perhaps that was why they skied "so freaking magnificently"?
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
Well, if all I'd gain in different bindings is a little less weight and maybe more feel/control on rails and boxes I am fine with the bindings.

They are mounted +1, and I have to say I've never felt nearly as balanced jumping a ski. I've always felt like I have to force myself forward over my skis when jumping and with these bindings/boots/skis I feel like I float perfectly and my landings are always right on the center.

My boot size is 30.5 sometimes 31.

Maybe down the road I'll get another set of bindings but if weight is the only concern I'm fine with it.
post #7 of 8
Don't worry to much. Yes, there are lighter bindings out there but the Neox is a damn good binding and will hold you in. With this binding, weight equals beef, it is prolly the strongest housed 3-10 binding on the market. If you are going to be taking these into teh park...you could have done a lot worse with other 3-10 DIN bindings.
post #8 of 8
Another good thing about the Neox is you'll be able to move your position fore/aft on the ski and figure out how you like more progressive (forward) mounting positions.

At 6'4" your next binding (next time you buy skis) should probably have a higher DIN range. The Neox will be fine for you, don't change it for this ski.
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