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Be Afraid..... Be VERY Afraid........

post #1 of 28
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Saw this on MSN.....

Had to read it after I saw the title...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16872921/?GT1=9033



post #2 of 28
Yikes, "...As*****h, with million dollar condos and celebrity ranches sprouting." Scary indeed, but JH was never for the faint of heart.
post #3 of 28
That's great that I can't write As*****h here.
post #4 of 28
No wonder skiing has a bad rep with crap like this being published.:

Ooooooh, I'm scared!!!!
post #5 of 28
I just read that article last night. It's in the newest issue of Forbes.

I thought the article was very informative. (Where is the tongue-in-cheek icon when you need it?) I didn't realize that Corbet's was 55 degrees.

The rest of the article was just about as accurate. That author is one gnar-core dude.



The magazine article does happen to have a pretty cool photo of Corbet's, however.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
I just read that article last night. It's in the newest issue of Forbes.

I thought the article was very informative. (Where is the tongue-in-cheek icon when you need it?) I didn't realize that Corbet's was 55 degrees.

The rest of the article was just about as accurate. That author is one gnar-core dude.



The magazine article does happen to have a pretty cool photo of Corbet's, however.

A Capitol Hill staff-type had that issue open on the Metro yesterday, with about 4 people reading it over his shoulder.

That photo shot from skier's right drew in about 2 more, and the rest completely abandoned any semblance of politesse with their 'these people could DIE' fascination.

<sigh>
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by Bonni View Post
No wonder skiing has a bad rep with crap like this being published.:

Ooooooh, I'm scared!!!!
Bonni, Have you stood at the top of Corbet's and looked down?

I was there in one of the lowest snow years ever. MARCH 2001


I was at a minimum scared!: : :
post #8 of 28
With all the stigma about skiing out there, does skiing really need an article like this that pounds home the worst case scenario:

YOU CAN DIE BY SKIING!!

Anyone who wants to continue skiing without paying $100+ for a lift ticket should be outraged. Sure, there's some scary stuff out there. No denying that.

Think of the general population reading this and then telling their sons and daughters, "Sure, you can learn to ski! It looks like such a fun sport!"

At the least, it's a fluff article espousing the virtues of selling overpriced real estate and ruining yet another ski resort.

Drugs are good.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Bonni View Post
With all the stigma about skiing out there, -snip-
Anyone who wants to continue skiing without paying $100+ for a lift ticket should be outraged. Sure, there's some scary stuff out there. No denying that. -snip-

At the least, it's a fluff article espousing the virtues of selling overpriced real estate and ruining yet another ski resort.
1.Please oh please don't start the old saw about how insurance rates are driving lift ticket prices. Isn't true and never has been. Insurance premiums are a tiny tiny percentage of an areas costs.

2. People hardly need to jump into Corbett's to die. In fact the article made it clear these are experts seeking more. What scares people is them or their kids being hit and seriously injured or killed by an out of control skier/rider while the ski areas turn a blind eye to this and do nothing.

3. There was not even a mention of real estate in the piece and so what if there was.
post #10 of 28
For all the negatives that have been mentioned I still think this article touches on some of the magic of JH. Every time I go (just got back this last Thursday) I know that I will experience excitement as well as fear in anticipation of my visit. It's not just the runs (yes I've done Corbet's twice, once with a lot of powder and not much of a deal, and onces where I double ejected on hardpack upon landing and cartwheeled down the entire length of it), but the impressions left by the peaks, ridges, cliffs, chutes, couloirs, drop-offs, and other features that surround you are pretty unique and awe inspiring (at least in the U.S. - I think). It's a special place and I for one think it's very easy to understand the motivation for writing like that found in this article.
post #11 of 28
Gimmie three of whatever pills Bonni is taking and a good swill of poteen to wash em' down ..... and if someone boots me in the adz ... I'll show ya' what it's all about.

post #12 of 28

If Lonnie Ball skied it first

shouldn't it be called Balls chute?
post #13 of 28
It probably doesn't hurt to show the dangerous side, in contrast with the all the movies out showing guys hucking 150 foot cliffs like it is an everyday easy deal!
post #14 of 28
I wish silverfox was that filled in right now.....that is a cake walk compared to what is looks like right now. Is mandatory albeit small air anywhere down that run right now.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
1.Please oh please don't start the old saw about how insurance rates are driving lift ticket prices. Isn't true and never has been. Insurance premiums are a tiny tiny percentage of an areas costs.
Insurance cost for the two lift, 100 acre, 900ft vertical hill pictured below cost roughly $60,000 a season. Total cost to operate this area is about $400000 per season. Is that a small percentage?
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post
Insurance cost for the two lift, 100 acre, 900ft vertical hill pictured below cost roughly $60,000 a season. Total cost to operate this area is about $400000 per season. Is that a small percentage?
Im sure there are always examples that can be pulled but as an average it runs about 5% of total revenue. In this day and age with the consolidation and big compoanies many of these areas could self insure if it was truly so bad.
post #17 of 28
Any article that refers to runs as "Ski Slopes" should raise a red flag. It's a trail, run, or line. A ski slope is a meaningless, gaperish vacuity.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
Im sure there are always examples that can be pulled but as an average it runs about 5% of total revenue. In this day and age with the consolidation and big compoanies many of these areas could self insure if it was truly so bad.
Thanks Harald, nice to know you keep up on industry stats.:
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
Any article that refers to runs as "Ski Slopes" should raise a red flag. It's a trail, run, or line. A ski slope is a meaningless, gaperish vacuity.
I get which mountains are we going on? all the time from my kids. I just tell them Hidden Peak and they look at me like whaat?

I also love when parents ask me where we go(especailly with blue and higher groups) and I tell them stuff like Eddies High Nowhere, Banazooks, Place Nobody Looks at, Mammary Grove, Hot Lips Gully, Bicarbonnate, list goes on and on. they are so confused till I explain that there are about 200 trails at snowbird not on the map they have.
post #20 of 28
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The Diving Board
Alta, Utah
That's great, but the photo shown ISN'T the "diving board". It's "the wall" in Devils castle...
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by skier_j View Post
Thanks Harald, nice to know you keep up on industry stats.:

He skis on Head and I'm not sure what his interest in tis topic would be

::::: :::
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
I get which mountains are we going on? all the time from my kids. I just tell them Hidden Peak and they look at me like whaat?

I also love when parents ask me where we go(especailly with blue and higher groups) and I tell them stuff like Eddies High Nowhere, Banazooks, Place Nobody Looks at, Mammary Grove, Hot Lips Gully, Bicarbonnate, list goes on and on. they are so confused till I explain that there are about 200 trails at snowbird not on the map they have.

wow! you are so cool! you are RAD!!!!
post #23 of 28
Volklskier, everyone knows Volkl makes the BEST skis, so we should infer from your 'name' that you are the BEST skier...careful with that pot/kettle thingy.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Volklskier, everyone knows Volkl makes the BEST skis, so we should infer from your 'name' that you are the BEST skier...careful with that pot/kettle thingy.
Wow are you stretching. You must like wacking Bush :
post #25 of 28
For the record I enjoy Flogging Molly, Punching the Clown, Shaking hands with the Bishop...but enough about me.

Bushwacker was talking about little kid's ski lessons, not about 'schralping the gnar'. You calling him out as a braggard speaks volumes about YOU.

Back on topic: I don't see anything in that article that I would consider 'Bad For Skiing!' sure it sort of hype's the thrill seeker aspect of the sport. This may make some people turn away, but let's face it, the cold, the travel, the cost, the gear, the weather issues are all bigger stumbling blocks for potential skiers.
post #26 of 28
This kind of reminds me..a year or two ago, there was a post here of someone looking for teens to interview for a magazine article about skiing. My son was chosen, the questions that were asked were laughable. The person who came up with the questions had absolutely no clue about skiing. Fortunately the article never got published.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
For the record I enjoy Flogging Molly, Punching the Clown, Shaking hands with the Bishop...but enough about me.

Bushwacker was talking about little kid's ski lessons, not about 'schralping the gnar'. You calling him out as a braggard speaks volumes about YOU.

Back on topic: I don't see anything in that article that I would consider 'Bad For Skiing!' sure it sort of hype's the thrill seeker aspect of the sport. This may make some people turn away, but let's face it, the cold, the travel, the cost, the gear, the weather issues are all bigger stumbling blocks for potential skiers.
thanks whiteroom. Most of those runs are blue runs in pitch(some are marked double black oh no!!!!) that are 'fun' for kids, because of the trees bumps and rollers. not gnar not even close to it.

flogging molly is awesome BTW.

back on topic who watched the video? it seemed as if so many people tried to turn way to much and had way to much weight up the hill on that first right turn.
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
I just read that article last night. It's in the newest issue of Forbes.

I thought the article was very informative. (Where is the tongue-in-cheek icon when you need it?) I didn't realize that Corbet's was 55 degrees.

The rest of the article was just about as accurate. That author is one gnar-core dude.



The magazine article does happen to have a pretty cool photo of Corbet's, however.
I do agree with the assessment about S&S though.
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