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epicski newb, ski recommendation-Fischer, Elan, Head?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hello,
I've recently found this site and realskiers.com. I've been a terminal level 7 intermediate for many years and am interested in purchasing a new pair of skis if it can help me improve.

Info: 27, Male, 5'10", 140 lbs
Ski Northeast, groomed, steep. Want to do more bumps.
Current skis: K2 mod 7/8 174cm

I can't see myself having more than one pair of skis, so I'm hoping to have one good all around pair. I've been basing my list off of realskiers.com's 1 ski quiver list, looking for skis good for bumps and ice. I've always found my k2 very damp, but lacking edge to edge quickness (though that can mostly be contributed to my technique).

Based on their reviews, I was thinking maybe the Fischer AMC 73, RX8, Elan Magfire 10, or Head Monster 72. I am looking for more recommendations/ideas for me to finalize my list to try to demo. I am also interested in whether the skis w/ bindings (I was planning on getting integrated) are easy to move position on so the boot mount position can be changed.

If you've read this far, thanks for the time. Any comments are welcome. I wasn't sure how to search this forum for like-minded rec's. I doubt "scrawny" is a body-type that people use often

EDIT: Oh I forgot that since I'm interested in improving in the bumps, should I be preferring a narrower waist?

-Bontakun
post #2 of 14
In the Fischer line (which I'm partial to) there is the RX-9 with a sidecut of 110-69-96 (GS type shape); RX-8 sidecut 116-66-98. (SL type shape); and the RX-6 sidecut 114-68-98 (sort of a cross between the RX-9 and RX-8). They all have received high marks here and in the North American magazines. The RX-8 was a home run hit for Fischer and the RX-6 a great value and also quite popular. Personally, I like the RX-9 a lot and ski it most days. I've never skied the RX-6.

The Fischer RX series has a smooth, light feel and great edgehold. The RX-6
has no metal layers (other than the edges) to possibly get bent in the bumps so that if you are planning to do a lot of mogul skiing it may have a certain advantage. The RX-8 and RX-9 will allow for higher top speeds.

All other things being equal, a narrower waisted ski will be quicker edge to edge; a wider waisted ski will provide more stability because of the wider platform underfoot. However, other factors come into play that can make a wide waisted ski feel squirrely and a narrow waisted ski seem not so quick edge to edge.


For east coast frontside conditions, including moguls, I don't see a benefit in going over 70mm at the waist. However, the trend (in the most trendy sense ) is toward wider 70mm+ waisted skis. On the other hand, modern dedicated mogul skis have a sidecut that is little changed from the SL skis of the past around 90-62-78 or so- very much still "straight" skis.

Elan and Head both make excellent skis but I'm not personally familiar with them. Others like dawcatching who posts here have given both Elan and Head high marks on a number of their models, as have others.

If you are looking for a ski that performs well at speed, in moguls and on the frontside , I'd suggest that you look for a ski with a fairly even longitudinal flex, good edgehold and good maneuverability. Stiff tailed skis are no friend in moguls and skis lacking torsional rigidity are no friend at speed in typical east coast conditions.

Good luck.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
LostBoy,
Thanks for the response. It definitely sounds like I'll be trying the RX8 and perhaps RX6 then. It'll be hard to know whether a ski will be a good bump ski, since I don't have good bump technique. But I still want a ski that has room for me to grow into.

-Bontakun
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Bontakun View Post
Based on their reviews, I was thinking maybe the Fischer AMC 73, RX8, Elan Magfire 10, or Head Monster 72. I am looking for more recommendations/ideas for me to finalize my list to try to demo. I am also interested in whether the skis w/ bindings (I was planning on getting integrated) are easy to move position on so the boot mount position can be changed.
The Fischer and Head skis you listed (as well as the RX6s others have recommended) use the Tyrolia Railflex 2 system which allows the binding to be moved 15mm forward or back of the middle position (3 positions in total) with only 1 philips head screw. I think Atomic has a similar setup with their current NEOX bindings (2 positions). Their older Race bindings had 4 positions that could be changed without any tools.

I've tried both the middle and forward positions on my RX6 and didn't feel like it made any difference in how it skied. My Atomic SL:11's on the other hand were definitely easier to tip into a turn with the bindings all the way forward. I wonder if the binding position is more pronounced if the ski has more sidecut?
post #5 of 14
Welcome to epicski!

I think at your weight I'd recommend the RX8 165's. They should do fine in the bumps. It is a much higher performing ski then the RX6 and will give you a lot of room to grow. There are a number of threads on them on epic, do a search.

The bindings adjust with a posidrive bit, which is similar to a phillips, but you should buy one of them instead of possibly stripping the head with a phillips. Most ski tuning type online places sell them. I keep mine in the forward position.
post #6 of 14
maybe have a look at the elan speedwaves...
post #7 of 14
RX8 165 cm
post #8 of 14
Welcome to epic, Your old 7/8 are a pretty good ski for bumps. I have a pair of modx/AxisX They are still my favorite all mountain bump skis.
New skis are great the Rx8 is an excellent ski. You couldn't go wrong with that ski. There are many other rides out there that would also work well for you.
I do have one suggestion. Before you buy new skis take a couple of bump lessons. A lesson or two will do more for your skiing then the best new ski ever will. when doing your lesson ask your Instructor about your boots. a Boot that is to stiff will hinder you in bumps. A little flex in the boot goes a long way when skiing moguls.
post #9 of 14
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(couldn't resist.)
post #10 of 14
You listed some good skis. I can't say enough good things about the Magfire series (I have Mag 12 in addition to the RX-8).

The RX-8 is a wonderful hardpack carver, and the RX-6 might be slightly better for an intermediate. I find the RX-8 strengths diminish rapidly off groomed snow, and other skis are better for all mountain use. The Mag 10 mid-fat would be one such ski, though I have only skied the Mag 12 (and its brother the M666). The Head iM72 and iM77 would be worth looking into as well.
post #11 of 14
Bontakun, I am also interested to see some feedback on the Head IM 72 and the Elan Magfire or even Ripstick. I recently re-discovered skiing after a decade-plus away. Probably a level 7-8 skier; all Eastern skiing. I wasn't able to demo skis before purchasing but absorbed all the great contributions from the Epic folks. Based on the super-positive reviews of the Fischers I was torn between the RX-6 and RX-8. I went with the RX-6 because I got a super deal; but I think I should have held out for the RX-8. The RX-6 is a fantastic ski but I think I undersold my own ability. Dawgcatching once referred to the Volkl Allstar as the BMW to the 2006 Head iXRC 1200's Porsche. The RX-6, to extend the metaphor, seems to me the Honda Accord. Well-made, stable and consistent; but not a vehicle for experiencing extremes.

After a couple lessons and 8 trips to the mountain I am feeling more confident in my rediscovered technique. I like speed, but I also like bumps. I'm sure the RX-8 would be an excellent choice. But the Elan and Head seem to have a lot going for them. So many choices!
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by nimbusjim View Post
I am also interested to see some feedback on the Head IM 72
I love mine

I was also torn between the IM 72 and the RX8. I went with the IM 72 because it had a little more underfoot and I felt it would handle crud/cut up snow better. I also found a better deal on them
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for the replies. I really wanted to demo, but I just ordered the rx8 for 470. I'm thinking I can't get the elan for anywhere near that price. Thanks especially to SMJ for pushing me in that direction

-Bonta
post #14 of 14
You're welcome Bonta, and thanks to YOU for telling me about the price reduction, that was very thoughtful of you.
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