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Glucosamine and Chondroitin

post #1 of 23
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I had left knee surgeries in 1980 and 1986. Since then so far so good?! Right knee surgery 6 weeks ago - torn medial meniscus and medial colateral ligament. I am feeling pretty good. Almost ready to get back out there.

Has anyone else tried these suppliments? My orthopod says they work to some degree for the majority of people but how much they help and for who is sketchy. It certainly can't hurt.

I'm looking to see if anyone else uses these suppliments, and if so, do they feel it helps with smooth joint movement and if it helps relieve the tired feeling within the joint.

Thanks in advance,

Scott
post #2 of 23
Hey man I swear by the glucosamine-chondroitin-MSM formula its a killer I mean it killed my knee pain seriously Id go get some right now the only thing Id say is to give it at least a month before you decide whether its doing anything for you because it took almost that long for me to feel the benefit but now its like Im a little kid again my knees dont hurt at all after skiing its great.
post #3 of 23
I'd avoid the MSM component, unless you are looking solely at releiving athritis pain. The MSM will slow healing. The point of the other two ingredients is to provide some additional materials for healing of damaged tissue to begin. Tests with just the g + c have shown increased joint spacing, presumably because the thickness of the meniscus has increased.

It's not just a lubricant.
post #4 of 23
BigE - I couldn't find anything about MSM slowing healing. On the contrary, there's tons of stuff on the Internet stating that MSM improves healing. If you have some sources please provide them.

On the issue of G&C - I absolutely believe it helps and my ortho does too. I've been taking significant doses of G&C for about 3 years now. My knee problems were getting really bad (years of mogul skiing) so I looked at what I could do and found G&C. My ortho takes it himself and he said that really you need to give it at least 3 months before you will really start reaping the rewards.

I take a "typical" dose during the off-season months and then double-up during ski season.
post #5 of 23
I took glucosamine with MSM for about five months, and with great results, my kneee which was bothering me last summer stopped hurting entirely, and I came out rippin' on opening day, it works.

I stopped taking them when I ran out, and after a while the knee pain returned. So I ordered glucosamine w/ chondroitin, of which I've heard better reviews (from my mom as well as others).

A couple in their fifties who ski The Bowl every day (perfect attendence this season) swear by the stuff, and take glucosamine with chondroitin, as well as with MSM every day.
post #6 of 23
Without a control group, it is very difficult to state whether the supplements are actually effecting the repair, or if it were self-repairing anyway. Beware that glucosamine and chondroitin are known to effect a massive renal load.
Be careful and moderate with these supplements.

Best,
Hem
post #7 of 23
MSM does work well, as it aids in Sulfur-recovery.
One might experience more immediate & advantageous effects by having mercury-amalgam fillings removed, followed by a rigourous chelating regimen, followed, again, by MSM therapy.
Best,
Hem
post #8 of 23
One might experience more immediate & advantageous effects by having mercury-amalgam fillings removed, followed by a rigourous chelating regimen, followed, again, by MSM therapy.
Best,
Hem[/quote]

A good example of why you shouldn't get medical advice from an internet message board.
post #9 of 23
Thank you for exampling by your very posting
Best,
Hem
post #10 of 23
Hey I hafta agree with evansilver that chelating crap is nonsense its like those stupid mud drinking fasts that supposedly clean out your system and get rid of toxins hey if you wanna believe that crap works then go ahead but its a huge ripoff created by lazy people who want to make money of people who have no science chops and so by cheering on that bogus stuff you show that your science chops are pretty much gums.
post #11 of 23
Re: mercury and chelation --

see Quackwatch.com, a valuable tool, like Snopes.com, in evaluating unsubstantiated internet info.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...s/mercury.html
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
BigE - I couldn't find anything about MSM slowing healing. On the contrary, there's tons of stuff on the Internet stating that MSM improves healing. If you have some sources please provide them.
The evidence I have is from people that were weight training. Quite a few noticed that while MSM helped to relieve pain, and improve flexibility, bruises took a lot longer to go away. These weren't your average meathead lifters, they were researchers and scientists. Sorry I wish I could give a citation.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by hemingway View Post
Without a control group, it is very difficult to state whether the supplements are actually effecting the repair, or if it were self-repairing anyway. Beware that glucosamine and chondroitin are known to effect a massive renal load.
Be careful and moderate with these supplements.

Best,
Hem
Hem thank you.

It was my understanding that there is no harmful amount.
Any references?
post #14 of 23
Other than occasional reports of mild gastrointestinal upset, no toxicity or serious side effects arising from the use of either glucosamine and/or chondroitin supplements have been reported in the medical literature. That doesn't mean that the supplements are effective; it just means that they are safe.

These agents are purported to offer some relief from osteoarthritis and other inflammatory conditions. Much of the available data has been summarized in easy-to-understand formats that can be accessed at no charge from the Cochrane Collaboration database and from the Arthritis Foundation
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by evansilver View Post
One might experience more immediate & advantageous effects by having mercury-amalgam fillings removed, followed by a rigourous chelating regimen, followed, again, by MSM therapy.
Best,
Hem
A good example of why you shouldn't get medical advice from an internet message board.[/quote]
Again, Thank you-
I will edify my son, who received his MD at the university whose hospital he has been an ID specialist at for several years, now, following in his late mother's footsteps.
She did years of research in the ID field, with a concentration in Epstein-Barr, which, while not an ID, she felt was related to same.
When they began investigating the possibility of methyl mercury levels exceeding the OSHA minimums, from simple amalgam fillings, and the pursuant immune-system load, they found that many essential minerals were bonding with the serum mercury, as well, often effecting a sulfur(sulphur) deficiency. MSM helped to reverse this trend in clinical studies.
Of course, both my late wife and son were MDs, and not in the league of the nutritional experts discussing chelation, etc., here on Epic.

I will edify my son as to the erroneous nature of his and his fellows' work, at once. Thank you for your corrections.
Best,
Hem
post #16 of 23
Can you tell us what they've published?
post #17 of 23
Hey. come on guys, if you don't get a little mercury every day how will you ever develop an immunity to it?
post #18 of 23
I seem to remember that Spaulding once had a ski with mercury-filled dampers on the shovels, sort of like the red weights on the Dynastars. There was supposed to be some advantage to the ability of the mercury to slosh around. Can this possibly be true, or is it just my fillings talking?
post #19 of 23
Magnificent example of thread drift here!
post #20 of 23
Hey hemingway ever occur to you that maybe just having a MD degree doesnt make you an authority on biochemistry or chelating huh I mean I know engineers who cant fix their own cars or other mechanical stuff for petes sake I mean what are you trying to say that because your relatives are MDs then your posts are 100% true hey I dont buy that one for a minute man and maybe you could tell us how that chelating works and why it works with special chelating salts when the human diet takes in all sorts of salts already huh?
post #21 of 23
I have been taking chondroitin and glucosamine for over 4 years and they may have helped, but i can't tell. I have now gotten three shots of SYNVISC in my left knee. It's supposed to lubracate the joint. Time will tell. It takes 8 to 12 weeks to see results.
post #22 of 23
About 3 years ago, I was diagnosed with a hole in the cartilage in one knee (looking at the MRI, it's like someone used a hole puncher to produce an almost perfectly round 1/8" hole). A couple of cortisone shots relieved the pain (there were no good surgical options), and I started taking glucosamine and chondroitin because in the doctor's opinion, it couldn't hurt.

I can't speak to any restorative powers, but the knee has been remarkably troublefree since.
post #23 of 23

Glocasmine Great Stuff!!

I have been taking Glucosamine + MSM for over five years. Don't give up on this, it takes time and helps with joint lubrication and with arthrits pain. I have had three operations on my left knee, the last in 1992 was a tibia osteotomi (spell), they break your leg and re-align it so the weight bearing is on the good side (removed medial cartilage, torn in '75). My Ortho approves of the use and sees coating on the joint and good spacing. My next operation will be a total knee replacement, but I feel great, same flexiblity in my knee as in 1992. I can't do the bumps but I rip the groomers. I also met an Arthritis Doctor at a party in DEC, he said a big study is going to be released this year showing the benefits Glucosamine.
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