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post #31 of 43
I don't know about you... but my atomic GS skis have been 23m radius for the last 3 years. Mind you they're "team issue" and 183cm. This meets current womens FIS radii standards.
post #32 of 43
As long as this is being dredged up again during the summer slump, the post by sjjohnston indcates that the start ref should be the one checking for compliance.

This is not going to be a happening thing. The start ref is a pretty busy slot with the head set buzzing. You are getting pressured by the bottom to keep racers moving and at the same time watching the upper gates and listening to the mid point radios for a racer down, course maintenance holds, making sure the start order is still intact and all of the other good stuff.

This (my opinion), is that the meeting jabber for the start ref to "be alert for illegal gear" is to keep the powers that be happy and satisfied that the problem is being addressed.

The reality is that there is no way a start ref could do that .... oh ... did I mention clearing the snow from the markings on the skis, not to mention where to look on each brand for the markings. My gut tell me that there would be a parent with a bottle of water spraying the markings to ice over illegal ski markings (, so now I have to keep a glycol sprayer to de-ice em'???

If they were serious about this, each TD would carry a carpet or marked plastic sheet they would roll out and have an assistant "compliance ref" have the kids cross the carpet and make sure they are at least reasonably/arguably compliant at the start and perhaps check the radius.
post #33 of 43
The only time my gear ever gets checked is at Nor-Am events. They don't really bother at Pontiac GMC cups, unless its at nationals. Most brands have known about the changes for some time and most team stock skis have a bigger radius anyways. Most of the women on my team run a 183/184 and the men are on a 191cm+
post #34 of 43
All new Volkl's are WC compliant for 08. I demo'd 187's at Hood, they said 27 for the radius, and I got a peek at some others as well. The 175s said 23, and 180s said 23.

I have a question as well. I plan on buying GS skis within the next month (well, not buy, but 'ask' for a pair). I really prefer the 07 Volkls with the 21m radius over the new ones. I am going into 2nd year J2 next season, and am wondering what I should get. If I go with the 07's, how long will I be able to ski them for both USSA and team racing?
post #35 of 43
Rise,

The most recent communications from USSA (7-07) reflects 21m GS radius will be legal for the upcoming 07-08 race season - for USSA scored events and FIS races.

The ski manufacturers group has petitioned FIS to wait another season (until 08-09) before implementing the 27m rule at the Continental Cup level (Nor-Am, etc). The request is currently being considered by the FIS council.

Beginning 08-09, all GS skis will be required to be 27m radius - USSA and FIS.

Of note, JII boys (15-16 yr olds) will now be able to race on 155cm SL - USSA and FIS.

For Masters, the ski length requirements are now considered recommendations. SG length minimums - 185 men, 180 women, will continue as a requirement.
post #36 of 43
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Originally Posted by whygimf View Post
The ski manufacturers group has petitioned FIS to wait another season (until 08-09) before implementing the 27m rule at the Continental Cup level (Nor-Am, etc). The request is currently being considered by the FIS council.

Beginning 08-09, all GS skis will be required to be 27m radius - USSA and FIS.

Of note, JII boys (15-16 yr olds) will now be able to race on 155cm SL - USSA and FIS.
Whygimf,
Do expect there to be changes in how the courses are being set (specifically in GS) as a result of the new rules and ski being out there? Obviously there can't be a mandate "we are going to start setting like this now..." but over the years as equipment requirements have changed I have noticed changes to how courses were being set. Any ideas on what we might see now?
Later
GREG
post #37 of 43
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Whygimf,
Do expect there to be changes in how the courses are being set (specifically in GS) as a result of the new rules and ski being out there? Obviously there can't be a mandate "we are going to start setting like this now..." but over the years as equipment requirements have changed I have noticed changes to how courses were being set. Any ideas on what we might see now?
Later
GREG

Course setting is an interesting animal. At the elite level, challenging the field is a required setting component to let the cream rise. Until you see it, slip it, run it in person most have no idea how tough the courses are at the World class level.

At the lowest non-scored levels, the setting should provide a nice 'test' of rhythm, timing and basic snow-ski skills. The appropriate comments for this level should be "that course was fun".

Course setting is a wonderful art. An effective setter has an uncanny knack for speed, rhythm, arc size, playfulness, timing and terrain changes with under foot snow conditions always a determining factor. They are able to set exactly what they want to get the most out of that specified training session. Not dis-similar to proper terrain selection in any ski class, a setter can set to expedite learning - whether to groove 'em, stroke 'em or challenge 'em.

There are good setters and bad. Good courses are taken for granted. Bad courses stick out like a sore thumb. Setting and dancing are similar. Some setters just have 2 left feet with no sense of rhythm.

Setting that allows Arc to Arc GS skiing has all but disappeared from the World Cup level. Although speed continues to be a primary component in GS racing, coaches have adapted, even into the lower levels, to set more challenging turn shapes, where timing and line strategies are more important.

Informally, I would say we had fewer courses last year set with minimum gate counts.

An interesting development in recent years is the use of an optical "range-finder" by course setters to read and maintain similar distance from gate to gate. I'm not a fan, but to each their own.

Slope design and available protection systems (B-net, etc) have a huge impact on GS setting. Ski areas in VT, specifically Stratton and Killington, will not be putting GS events on their "scored" race calendar for the coming season. Too much setup and preparation work to justify the event.

Will courses evolve? Yes. As the skill level increases (evolution of the sport), so does (appropriately) the challenges of the set. And accordingly, eventual rule updates.
post #38 of 43
Thanks for the detailed response. I am hoping that the GS sets (at least in the east) get pulled away from the trees a little bit. It seems like the offset has increased a lot recently in order to make the courses more difficult.

So how far will one have to go to get a decent GS points race next year?

Later

GREG
post #39 of 43
H,

Define 'decent'. Sub 100? Sub 50? How far from Buffalo?
post #40 of 43
I consider sub 100 to be decent... (but I'm not very good)... a few of the guys I ski with are usually looking for the sub 50 races. One guy travels all over in order to get points races. The FIS slaloms at Blue Mt seem to be popular around here - but no GS...
post #41 of 43
I thought it was 1st year JII that could use 155s... wtf.
post #42 of 43
Another couple notes - SL setting 'stuff' from the FIS:

Children's setting (J3 and younger): Number of gates set is equal to 30-35% of the vertical drop in meters, +/- 3 gates. Maximum distance gate to gate: 12m.

All: Delayed turns must have a minimum distance of 12m and a max of 18m from turning pole to turning pole.

SL must contain a minimum of one and a maximum of three delayed turns.
post #43 of 43
I like the new rule on delays. It didn't make sense last year. I used to think delays were for older kids but this new deal may work by getting the younger ones to get used to them.
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