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Boot fitting Question?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I recently purchased a pair of footbeds...prior to the footbeds my boots were comfortable but felt a bit loose in the heel area...I have skied with the new beds 4 times and had them adjusted each time...I have relatively flat feet and I was getting pressure through my arch...the last time I had them adjusted I noticed that I felt my feet were naturally rolling(?)inward...kind of like there was more height on the outside of my foot and less on the inside...I didnt notice it when I was skiing but it was very noticeable when I was was standing...I also noticed my knees ached after the day was over...so my question is should boots have you "slanted inward"? and if not would that effect your knees?...my thoughts on the knees is could also be the result of the first weekend of more aggressive skiing and age!

Thanks in advance for your help!
post #2 of 16
Did the bootfitter do alignment/canting work on your boots after your footbeds were made? It sounds to me like your out of alignment.
post #3 of 16
Are these are off the shelf footbeds, what adjustments were made?

It sounds like the footbed has given you some arch support, and you are now feeling your natural tendency to pronate.

Are you naturally bowlegged? The footbed could have taken out the slop and any misalignments are now magnified. Did the boot fitter check any alignment or change the boot in any other way? ie. make ANY adjustments to cuff or bootsole? Or did he just sell you a footbed?
What kind?
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
if alignment/canting is the device where you lean into a brace and a string hangs down - he did

I have X Wave 10s and he re heated and then re molded my foot after the footbed was made

the footbeds are custom...the guy has a very good reputation and he has been very helpful when I come back looking for adjustments

I am not bowlegged...I do where out the outside corner of my heel in my shoes...he noticed this and adjusted accordingly

the adjustments he made were "grinding down" a portion of the sides to give me a bit more room and I believe he may have raised the heel to take some of the pressure off my arch...

The strange sensation of almost rolling inward is what I am concerned about...I assume the proper fit of a boot is to have the foot level...but maybe I had been set up incorrectly in the past and this is the way it is "supposed to be"?????
post #5 of 16
Stupid question of the day: did he remove the stock footbed from the boot?

Were your previous footbeds hard, like cork, and/or did they cement the foot in place? There is supposed to be some ability to roll the foot. The foot will naturally roll/pronate somewhat, that's supposed to happen. Whether there is too much of that going on is impossible to say on the net. It can happen due to many other reasons too. for example, the boot may be the wrong boot! Do you have skinny legs & ankles? How wide is your foot? The X-Wave 10 is a fairly wide fitting boot. Any chance it's just sloppy from the liner getting thinner? How old is the boot?

It's really between you and your bootfitter to figure out. You could ask for a second opinion elsewhere I suppose, where another bootfitter can see you, evaluate and make a recommendation.

hope that helps.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yes the old footbeds are out

the old footbeds were fairly soft

I have a mid to wide foot with normal legs and ankles and the boot is about 5 years old with 100ish days of skiing

I will probably ski on them tomorrow and go back to the bootfitter tomorrow afternoon

Thanks for your help!
post #7 of 16
MikeC13...What kind of footbed was molded for you? If you have a functionally flat foot, then the footbed should reflect this alignment. Do you have trouble with footwear that has a pronounced arch area? You should not feel that the inside (medial) area of your foot is sitting lower than the outside (lateral) area of your foot. Also, check that the bootboard (zeppa) is properly installed in the boot (is it even there?) As you indicated of having knee pain after the bootfitter changed something, I wouldn't accept this alignment as being correct. Please do yourself a favor and see another recommended bootfitter/pedorthist with lots of experience dealing with foot physiology issues.
post #8 of 16
What happens if you have a flat foot and a footbed is made with a pronounced arch? Also if you have a flat foot and are a pronantor, do you want the footbed to "cradle" the heel making it more difficult to pronante?
post #9 of 16
Good question RT, it sounds like the new footbeds were made unweighted. ie. the foot was in the air, and not being stood upon. Maybe redoing it with weight will help?

Other things to check:

I don't know about x-wave, but in some boots, the boot board is not flat. The boot board is the part that the liner sits on. That too may cause a problem.

Could your liners be toast and the rolling of the foot is from the lack of lateral support? What happens with the old footbed?
post #10 of 16
roundturns...there is a difference between functionally flat and flexibly flat feet. You can usually create a semi-neutral stance for a flexibly flat foot with a compliant customer/patient by creating a footbed with an arch. There will be a break in period with the footbed/orthotic and usually some arch is better than no arch with these types of feet. With functionally flat feet, the foot is in a semi neutral state when the foot is flat and therefore a custom footbed molded with the customer/patient in his neutral state should be followed.To answer the last part of your question...I would rather try to support the heel and arch area of the flat over pronator to bring the ankle (sub talur joint neutral + mid tarsal joint locked) into more of a neutral alignment. Sometimes this is possible/sometimes not. (usually involves compliancy from the customer/patient)
post #11 of 16
Thanks for the information and clarifications.
post #12 of 16
While everyone talking about boot fitting problems, I have my own I'd like a little help with.

I wear Rossi Power 90 boots about 2 years old. Left side fits great, heal is sucked in tight but the ankle is also quite a bit bigger due to breakages (sheared growthplate, 2 each tib&fib breaks, ruptured achilles, & necrotising fascitis - flesh eating disease to you and me-) So that's the GOOD leg when skiing...

My right, the heel lifts which makes me crank my boot tight, but more painfully and annoyingly is when I'm skiing easy everything is fine, but pushing on the steeps, my big toe pushes against the front of my boot (has lots or room regularly) and it hurts and feels like my big tow is leading the turn (ie my heel wants to rotate around outside of my big toe)

Would a foot bed fix both of these?
post #13 of 16

Rossi boots are designed on a last with wide heels and narrow toes. At least my B1's are.

You would do best to find a boot shell that matches the shape of your foot.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Update...Knee pain was non existent which means I am older an more out of shape than I would like

As to the footbeds I skied all weekend and while the boots werent as comfortable as they used to be they werent too bad...may try to get one more adjustment and see what happens...Thanks again for all the help
post #15 of 16
Here's a bit of info about footbeds:
"From years of living in shoes we have become accustomed to feeling some support in our arch. This isn’t necessarily the way the foot was meant to function, but it is what we expect. So a good pair of orthotics may make you more comfortable, and if properly made may not interfere with foot function. Improperly made (too much arch support or rigid arch support for example) may actually hinder skiing."

Properly made footbeds can do much good for correcting misalignment in the heel bone, forefoot, etc. You want to be aligned and still allow necessary foot and ankle movement to permit fine adjustments to balance from the muscles in the foot and ankle.

post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
I went back to my guy again this weekend and he readjusted the alignment and it made all of the difference in the world...I think the alignment was fine at first but after a few tweaks it got out of whack...all is right with the world!
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