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Which skis for allmountain? Nordica Olympia Victory, Volkl Attiva AC3, Dynastar Legend Exclusives or Lotta Luv

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
To anyone who has an opinion about an all mountain ski. I need one.
Yes, I plan to demo, but I want some in the know feedback from any ladies (or guys) who have skied on or know about these skis. Also interested in any others if I missed a few (make my decision harder).
What I am: A level 7 skier. I started skiing 10 yrs ago and ski an avg of 12 times a year out west in varying conditions. Wt. 112-115 lbs and Ht. 5'4".
I ski agressively and like to ski short to medium turns on groomed, hardpack . I like skiing shallower powder, bumps and in the trees as well. The only thing I haven't skied is deep powder (greater than knee deep). How I long for a great dump. Siiiggh.
It just hasn't happened except in Telluride and that was before I had progressed to a level 7.
I want to learn how to ski deeper powder. That is the only thing that scares me. Ok..that and spiders. I digress.
I ski on Salomon Xscreams W ('01) and like them but I want a midfat ski to improve my powder skills and want something that will bust through crud. Basically...I want something that will do it all or most of it. Is that too much to ask for?
Am I that different than most women?
Seriously....I appreciate any help you guys can give me. I have learned alot from reading posts here and dig the heck out of epicski. Hopefully, I will get some insider info. A preemptive thanks to all!
post #2 of 21
I have skied all these along with several of my staff. Our opinions are......

The K2 is the Caddilac of this group. It is smooth, stable and very damp. The Lotta is the heaviest in this group and is not especially quick or energetic. It is probably the most forgiving. Real hard snow or moguls are not it's best conditions. Ski this one in a 153

The Legend is the lightest, quickest, and most manuverable. It has good egde grip but is a bit challenged by rough snow. This ski is best at short-medium turns and will be the most manuverable in moguls and is very forgiving. I'd suggest a 158.

The Victory is smooth and damp but can also provide some snap if you are up to it. There is a lot of shape here and more grip than the two prior models. Although reasonably firm, the X-Balance system makes the Victory more forgiving than you might think. This ski is at it's best in medium turns. Try the 154.

The Attiva AC-3 has an agressive shape and a pretty stiff flex. This ski has the best grip of this group but it is probably the least forgiving (especially in bumps). This ski needs some input from you for short turns but will deliver a lot of energy when you bend it. The AC-3 is surprisingly light but not as damp as say the K2 or the Nordi. I think a 156 here.

SJ
post #3 of 21

Nordica Olympia Victory

I demoed these skis in a 154 and a 163 at Killington on soft man-made snow. I am 5'6" and weigh 120. I'm an advanced skier and use the skis aggressively.

I started on the 154's (had been skiing a Dynastar Intuitiv 71 at 167) against my better judgment - they seemed soooo short! But the demo guy convinced me to try them. He was right, I loved them. Later I tried the 163 and it immediately felt like too much ski to throw around. I bought the 154's and have used them in the East and in a recent trip to Summit County CO.

I don't think they are damp, as the above reviewer says. They snap well for me if I pressure them in a turn. They really like somewhat short turns but will hold for any shape. I was particularly surprised and how stable they are at speed, given their length. They have plenty of torsional strength for getting them up on edge, although the waist width makes this a slower proposition (edge to edge) than with my Intuitivs.

I didn't expect them to do well in the bumps, and they are a little stiff and wide to be an exciting bump ski, but that said they are short and quick. I am running bumps and glades with more confidence.

I have not had the pleasure of skiing them in more than about 6 inches of fresh powder so can't say how they'd do in the deep stuff. I'm hopeful though...

As women's skis go these are definitely not your toned-down terminal intermediate sorta ski. Ski them hard and they will respond.

Kate
post #4 of 21
Kate,

Welcome to Epic. Very nice review of the Nordie. What shop did you demo these from?
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by noseykate View Post
I don't think they are damp, as the above reviewer says. They snap well for me if I pressure them in a turn. They really like somewhat short turns but will hold for any shape. I was particularly surprised and how stable they are at speed, given their length. They have plenty of torsional strength for getting them up on edge, although the waist width makes this a slower proposition (edge to edge) than with my Intuitivs.
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As women's skis go these are definitely not your toned-down terminal intermediate sorta ski. Ski them hard and they will respond.

Kate
Cool. I found exactly the same thing when I demoed their carver, the Olympia Speed. I was very impressed!
post #6 of 21

demo source

Philpug, I demoed from the Killington demo shop, but bought from a retailer in Boston which was having a big sale.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input so far! Since I am going to be skiing a variety of conditions and can't guarantee what kind of snow there will be when we go out west, I am leaning towards the Victory and The Exclusive. Especially, since I like speed and I like the bumps. I will keep waiting for more replies and waiting on our trip in 6 weeks to JH. I KNOW I will be tested by crud, ice, etc. there...so this will give me ample opportunity.
post #8 of 21
Another ski you might want to consider is the Atomic Metron Balanze 11 (I think the Atomic Metron 9 may be the same ski but marketed for men). If possible demo the 150 and the 157.
post #9 of 21
Give some serious thought to Volkl Auras. Maybe in a 153? These are incredibly versatile skis - especially for the places and range of conditions you are talking about. My spouse is on the 163s and loves them. Uses them on groomers and a wide range of conditions, including powder, off-piste.

If you are interested in powder, these will take you there with a ton more confidence than the others mentioned above. And will still be great all-arounders. Plus, for such a strong and versatile ski, they are really light. Mount them up with something like Z12s and you will be amazed at how little the whole package weighs. There is a reason skis like these are flying off the shelves...

Don't be afraid to go "fatter" with the latest generation of skis. Really.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Some of you have up'd the ante. Thanks ever so much! Ok... what I want to know..with my weight (since I am a lighter gal), will I be ok on the AC3 and what about the last two mentioned?? Does that factor in the equation? I am sure if I put my weight into it(the ski) and ski agressively, it shouldn't...but...
thoughts?
post #11 of 21
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I don't think they are damp, as the above reviewer says. They snap well for me if I pressure them in a turn. They really like somewhat short turns but will hold for any shape. I was particularly surprised and how stable they are at speed, given their length. They have plenty of torsional strength for getting them up on edge...

They are a little stiff and wide to be an exciting bump ski, but that said they are short and quick.
Exactly my take on them when i tried them. I am the same size/wt as the original poster.

Wanted to try the speeds to see if they'd be a little less work in the bumps. I'd be interested to know what volklgirl thought about the speeds in the bumps.
post #12 of 21

Olympia Speed

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Originally Posted by Mom View Post
Wanted to try the speeds to see if they'd be a little less work in the bumps. I'd be interested to know what volklgirl thought about the speeds in the bumps.
Unfortunately it was very early season, so no bumps were to be had. However, given their incredible manueveratbility (both carving and skidding), I'd bet that they would just slither through the bumps.

They excelled in all manner of short to medium turns, were stable in longer turns, had acceptable grip on the ice and were incredibly forgiving with a huge sweet spot! The 162 that I demoed was a little too short for my weight on steeps, but would probably be fine for most women under 170ish.
post #13 of 21
As VG says, the Speed is quite a ski. (this can be said about many Nordicas) When you hand flex them, they feel a little stiff. However, the Nordicas flex well under the foot where some other expert skis are a little boardy in that area. I attribute this to the X-balance plates which are more effective than most at freeing up the center.

Here is a terminology clarification.................

Damp is the ability of the ski to ride quietly over rough and rattley snow. This is related generally to either weight or construction or both. Dampness is often independant of energy or snap.

Snappy refers to the energy the ski returns when pressure is released. This is related again to construction and secondarily to stiffness. Snap is often independant of dampness.

The Nordica Victory is quite damp but energetic as well assuming the skier can provide enough input to flex the ski.

K2's in general are damp but not terribly energetic.

The Volkl Attiva AC-3 is very energetic (assuming one can flex it) and middling in dampness.

One reason that intermediates will often say that a really high end, stiffer ski will ski smoothly and quietly for them is that they slide around on low edge angles and never bend the ski. Wheras a better skier who tips and pressures the ski, will find the same ski to be exceptionally lively.

SJ
post #14 of 21
Like Volklgirl, I take every opportunity to demo, even if I'm not in the market to buy:
(volklgirl, not one word out of you on that comment!)

I've demoed the Olympia speeds, have been on many of the volkls although not the AC3, Rossis(the most uninspiring skis I've demoed to date), K2 Luvs, and Most of the Nordicas.
I'll second the vote on the speeds, the olympia Victory and the Conqueror. All of those were stable, inspiring and held up at speed.

If I were to compare the Olympia Speed to the Speedmachine 14, I'd say they are extremely similar with only a bit of stiffness in the SM14 offering a bit more stability at higher speeds. Although the OS was easier to flex and yet not too soft.

From my personal standpoint, I really like the extra Pop you get out of the volkl motion system. For that reason I'd love to get on a demo of the Attiva AC3.
post #15 of 21
This is great stuff. Thank you. And Thanks Jim for the clarification. I've been using the terms wrong. I guess it's not that i don't like damp skis but that i do like snappy ones. The victories were lively and, as you say, unphased by "features" in the snow. I just had to work harder than i'd like to in the bumps. probably operator's fault - the bumps that day were deep, hard, with some rocks and grass in the troughs and i had to really work at being delicate so as not to be bumped back. But then this is something i need to work on anyhow, so maybe they'd be good for my skiing. But, now i'm chomping to try the Speeds.

Jim, you had recommended the fischer vision 73 to me on your site. Although I wasn't looking for float since i have the sugar daddies, would they still be skis for these women to demo too?

edit: have not had the opportunity to try them, so feedback from others who have would be welcome.
post #16 of 21
'Hard bumps with rocks and grass in the troughs'..................yummy!!

The Vision 73 is not quite at the level of most of the other skis mentioned here in the amount of stability or grip that it delivers. The proper Fischer to compare to most of these skis is the Vision 76. The 73 IS however, one of those great bang for the buck skis that almost anyone can ski and have fun on. There is little in the middle speed ranges that it can't handle. The Vision 73 is roughly similar in capability to say the Volkl Attiva AC-2.

SJ
post #17 of 21
Was in Taos on Sunday and Nordica had a demo day. They did not have the Speed and sent me out on the Mint that they said was very similar. I sure doubt it, given the descriptions of the Speed above. I did not like the ski. I think i found its speed limit on the catwalk.

I could see how it could be a good ski for an intermediate skier who wanted confident edge hold at moderate speeds and easy turns and wanted to venture in the bumps. It was very forgiving and easy to turn. It seemed to want to be skied from the back which i don't like and something i've seen in other "women's" skis. (Don't know why they do that.)

Don't know if the higher end Speed would have made enough difference to try to track it down but if I have the opportunity to try it will do so. The Victory is a much, much better ski and will probably be the one I buy. Given Sierra Jim's description of Vision 73, I don't think I'll try that.

KDSKIS2 have you considered the Olympia Conquer? it will have more float for powder. let us know what you try and how you like them.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
I have. I will demo what I can get my hands on in March. I am leaning still towards the AC3's and the Victory's. Will definitely post when after I demo. Then after that..hopefully, with the tax refund...can get what I like the best.
post #19 of 21
MOM:

The Mint is not even in the same ballpark as the Speed.

SJ
post #20 of 21
I've demoed a lot of skis over the past few years and FWIW, I think most of the womens skis have a "speed limit" in comparison to their unisex counterpart.
Mom, the demo guy did a disservice to his product to sell the mint as being similar to the speed.

On the up side, the womens lines have made huge leaps in technology and have found a sweet spot in my heart. I could be happy to add a Conquerer or a Victory to my quiver.

BTW, I loved the speed, and found it to be very similar in all manner with the Speedmachine 14, but also found that the mach3 was funner for me. But that's me. I'm not normal
post #21 of 21
The demo guy was just trying to be accomodating. It's hard to assess a skier when they walk up to a tent and tell you they are a 'good skier.' Yeah right. Plus, I'm small and no spring chicken, so he probably figured the Mint was a sort of one size fits all ski and worth trying.

Apologies for hijack: Trekchick, I have yet to buy a womens's ski. But having learned to ski on unisex skis i generally do not like the forward mounting position. I still do not understand why they do that. (The Victory was close and may still be my next purchase = with the nordicas you can slide the binding back to a more center position and eliminate that issue)

Skied with a fellow yesterday who said, "with the turns you are making, you ought to consider picking up a used slalom race ski (cheap) for your front side ski instead." hmmmm. Since i'm about to spend some of the money i was putting to new skis on instruction, that is sounding like a pretty interesting idea. any opinions? what size SL ski should a 115 lb woman get? a junior ski? I could inherit my racer-step-granddaughter's old SL skis. Wouldn't that be a switch!
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