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This is The Sickest Trick I've Ever Seen!!!!

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
View this!

http://www.newschoolers.com/web/cont...eos/id/120797/

I go to school with this kid, and this 7 is most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life! Not only does he stomp the landing, but he actually hits the little kid in the head! :
Luckily, she was fine, but if this little girl hadn't had a helmet on, she would have been killed.

I almost pissed myself the first time I saw this, so I couldn't help but spread the joy...

Props Jack
post #2 of 22
yeah that little girl was totally at fault here and so are her parents. she should of know not to go in to a terrain park and traverse before ever being allowed near one...

still funny everything i watch it though
post #3 of 22
You've got to wonder why the person with the camera didn't:

a) Spot the landing and call the jump off,

b) Try to get the girl to move, assuming she skied into the landing after the jumper was already commited
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
You've got to wonder why the person with the camera didn't:
I bet he couldn't see her throught the camera lens until it was too late. Darwinism at work. I don't blame the skier, blame the spotter (shoulda called him off), and the kids parents.

I had this almost exact thing happen many years ago when I still did stupid stuff on skis (ie go "big"). A border had crashed on the back side of a kicker, I dropped in and started skating. My spotters were yelling "whoa! whoa!", but I thought they were yelling "GO! GO!" so I kicked harder. When I crested the kicker I saw the downed boarder in my LZ so I pulled left off the top of the ramp. Some guy grabbed the girl under her armpits and pulled her away. I missed her board by about 2-3 feet. I was 10-15' up and if I had landed on her, it wouldn't have been pretty. But all's well that ends well and lesson learned....

L
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
You do have to wonder a little about the spotter not caling the jump off, but from what Jack (the skier in this video) has told me, the whole thing was completely accidental...nobody had any idea that the little girl was there until it was too late.

Oh, and by the way, just in case anyone was pissed/worried that Jack just kept on skiing after landing, he wasn't being an ass, he was going down to talk to the little girl's coach while the people around the jump went to see if the girl was alright.

Despitte his appearances, Jack's a really nice guy, and there's no way he would pull a hit and run after coming dangerously close to decapitating the little girl, so don't get the wrong idea. It's not funny that the little girl got scared out of her mind and could have gotten seriously hurt, it's just amazing that they got this whole thing on video AND Jack still stomped the 7.
post #6 of 22
The kid who did the jump is 100% at fault and deserves to banned from the mountain for a whole season. He could have killed the other kid. The jumper is 110% responsible for making sure the landing is clear before jumping NO MATTER WHAT!!!!

This video is NOT funny.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by learn2turn View Post
The kid who did the jump is 100% at fault and deserves to banned from the mountain for a whole season. He could have killed the other kid. The jumper is 110% responsible for making sure the landing is clear before jumping NO MATTER WHAT!!!!

This video is NOT funny.
Really? Seems to me it WAS clear, when he went airborne. I thought the kid entered the landing zone AFTER the jumper is in the air (she's still moving forward when he hits her. How was that his fault? If you pull into an intersection on a red light, it's not the fault of the car that is going to hit you.

To have a kid of that ability level and size (how in the world could the jumper of seen her?) in the terrain park, is a gross irresponsibility of the parents edit: coach). They at least should have had some AWARENESS to look back uphill etc or to not cross UNDER the LANDING RAMP where she could not be seen. Safety is first in this situation. The jumper didn't do anything unsafe. The coach did and the kid did. I usually don't come down of the side of the jumper, but in this case there was nothing he could do.

PS: Did the girls coach's supervisor see this tape? Did her parents?

PSS: I have another question, did he (or somebody else) yell "Dropping in" when he started the in run?
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
It's an unfortunate situation that, luckily, didn't end up with a little girl in the hospital (BTW, she looks somewhat similar to my 5 year old daughter on skis, so it hits home with me). but the jumper should have known that there was a little kid down there. Since she wasn't in the LZ when he started down the hill, he should have been able to see her to the side of the hit, and kept an eye on her as he approached the take off. If she disappears into his LZ, he needs to call it off. Being inconvenienced to miss a jump is no reason to come a few inches from ending a child's life.
John,

Look again, he comes in fakey with his head turned the oppsite way to where the girl is. No way he could have seen her. I'd like to see the 10 seconds of tape before the start of what was posted...
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
John,

Look again, he comes in fakey with his head turned the oppsite way to where the girl is. No way he could have seen her. I'd like to see the 10 seconds of tape before the start of what was posted...
So when he's hanging around at the top, before he starts down the run, it's not his responsibility to see if there is anyone down there? When you see a little kid making slow wedge turns right near a huge hit you're about to take, you just take off and think it's their responsibility to avoid you because you can't see them?

Let's take this out of the terrain park and to a roll on the hill that you can't see over. A small kid is making slow wedge turns below the roll, and you launch off the roll and hit the kid and kill them. Is it the kid's responsibility to be out of the way of the person skiing over the roll? No difference here. A jump is nothing more than an exaggerated roll in the hill. BTW, that exact scenario happend in CO last year or the year before (although the person that got killed was an adult). The person who killed him is currently sitting in jail.

Sorry, but it's ALWAYS the uphill skier's responsibility to avoid the people below. ALWAYS! NO EXCEPTIONS! Even in a terrain park.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Really? Seems to me it WAS clear, when he went airborne. I thought the kid entered the landing zone AFTER the jumper is in the air (she's still moving forward when he hits her. How was that his fault? If you pull into an intersection on a red light, it's not the fault of the car that is going to hit you.

PSS: I have another question, did he (or somebody else) yell "Dropping in" when he started the in run?
It's like pulling your car out into an intersection. You look at the path and velocity of all other vehicles anywhere near the intersection and gauge whether you can make it across before the other vehicles get there. If it was clear when you started your run, it doesn't mean it's going to be clear when you cross the intersection. Just think about this using common sense for a second. Is someone's one trick worth someone's life? Check the area in the landing and near the landing prior to the jump and/or use a buddy as a spotter. If it's conceivable that someone could reach the landing while you ar ein the air, you hold up, period, end of story. One trick is not as important as some kid's life.
post #11 of 22
that little girl came in on the blind side of the jumpers vision zone, He could only see to skier right where as she came in from the left. The only spotter I assume would be the camera man. Kids this age (10 and up) have awareness of people around them. If they have the choice they can and will avoid a collision. This isnt like a 8 and under kid who literally thinks they are the only ones on the mountain when they skis. Young kids have tunnel vision like they are the only ones out there who matter.

The jump was given a all clear by the spotted, when the kids goes for it the little girl who probably wasnt moving on the other side of the jump begins to move. spotter his camera pointed doesnt see kid wont see to the first part of the first 180 of the 720 in mid air. At that point there is nothing he can do in mid air you path is set on the ground you cant do anything once you airborne.

Is the little girl life worth this trick. Hell no but out side of having a second spotter on the other side of the jump to literally grab her before she went these kids flowed safe park protocol and **** happens, this video proves it.

The little girl clearly isnt prepared to be in any sort of terrain park. You traverse a terrain park very carefully and never behind a feature.

The little girl behind a blind rollover argument isnt valid. I slow down for blind corner and rollover. I assume(most everybody does) that there is someone behind that blind spot. IN the terrain park if my spotter tells me its clear(it was in the case of this vidoe) I go for it, still use my judgement but trust his way more than mine cause well he/she can see where I am going to land.
post #12 of 22
Looks like nobody heard the sound from the video. Somebody yells 'lookout' as the guy is about to launch of the kicker and skiing switch.. I doubt if he even heard it as he has is probably focussed on just taking off smoothly.
I am speculating that the kid was wedging on the skiiers right (in the switch position) and managed to meander down on to the landing zone. The guy in the video was looking over to his shoulder and to his left and couldnt see the kid comming in becasue his field of vision doesnt cover that side of the trail.

In my opinion the guy owns lesser blame than the coach/parents of that kid.. Its their reponsibility to keep wedging kids, who could lose control and take off a kicker, away from that area.. You do have signs in every terrain park saying its a double black and enter at your own peril right?
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
The only spotter I assume would be the camera man. Kids this age (10 and up) have awareness of people around them.
Not much of a spotter if he isn't watching the LZ, eh?

Also, the kid is definitely an 8 & under, not a 10+. Yeah, she has poles, but she's probably 6-7 years old.

Glad noone got hurt. And my guess is that the guys in the park, if they are as consciensious as bakination says, will start to be a little more aware when they are in the park from now on, and use spotters that actually do what a spotter is supposed to do (spot the LZ, not have their eye in a viewfinder).
post #14 of 22
I was saying the older kids(jumper spotter) had awareness the younger kids thoguht she was the only one around.

I agree that the a spotter/ camera man isnt the best of ideas JohnH.
post #15 of 22
This happens all the time, not the head stall to landing but people camping out on the landings. There is no exuse for her to be there, why is she in the park in the first place clearly she isn't practicing her 540's . Second any parent or coach worth the beans isn't going to let that happen the first thing you tell the park jongs is don't camp out on the landings. No one can see you, and god forbid you wreck on a step down roll yourself off, even if your femur is now 15ft back roll yourself off. I'm glad the girl is ok but how god damn stupid are the adults she is with.

Oh and there is nothing the kid that is dropping can do.
post #16 of 22
Coug,

I did hear that. It was when it was at the very top of the ramp going at full speed. Again, what could he have done differently?

I know you folks disagree with me on the specifics here, but I still don't think that it was totally the fault of the jumper. You guys are applying the traditional skier responsibily code to the park. That works to an extent, but that's also why there are sperate rules for terrain parks. Technically everytime you are in the air, you are out of control, so right off the bat you throw "stay in control and be able to turn and stop" out the window.

Before I EVER took kids into a terrain park (no matter how much they begged), I first made sure that we read all the safety rules, knew where it was safe to stop and where it wasn't, and made sure they understood the environement they were in. This kid CLEARLY isn't in a safe spot. She get there AFTER the skier is comitted. At her age/size it was the fault of her coach to keep her out of danger. (s)He could clearly see that the skier was going for the trick. How, from the bottom of the park, could he keep her out of danger? He couldn't. When doing things like this, I make sure go last (if I go at all). I tell my kids where to start (so they don't go too big and ) where to ski to be in the "safe zone". That way I can clear the feature of something happens. The coach did none of this. It was their coaches fault. Not much of an issue this year as Alta scrapped the park...

EDIT: Also everyone know that yelling isn't the way to say a jump isn't clear (see my original post if you want to know the reason why). It's two crossed poles held in the air....

EDIT2:
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Originally Posted by coug View Post
Its their reponsibility to keep wedging kids, who could lose control and take off a kicker, away from that area.. You do have signs in every terrain park saying its a double black and enter at your own peril right?
Exactly. Wouldn't you same folks be screaming about the irresponsibiliy of the parents if they had taken the same wedging kid down a black or double black trail? A park is the same type of terrain...

L
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by learn2turn View Post
The kid who did the jump is 100% at fault and deserves to banned from the mountain for a whole season. He could have killed the other kid. The jumper is 110% responsible for making sure the landing is clear before jumping NO MATTER WHAT!!!!

This video is NOT funny.
Actually it is funny, and how can he be 110% responsibile. Your
ridiculousness knows no bounds.
post #18 of 22
Regardless of funny (which it isn't), not funny or who's at fault, this should be shown on the helmet thread...If it wasn't for her helmet, she would've certainly suffered serious injury. Minimum, a nasty gash that would've required stitches.

Personally I think everybody involved is at fault equally, including the parents...As a parent of young skiers myself, I'd NEVER let them in a terrain park at their current level of both ability and awareness of their surroundings.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
Regardless of funny (which it isn't), not funny or who's at fault, this should be shown on the helmet thread...If it wasn't for her helmet, she would've certainly suffered serious injury. Minimum, a nasty gash that would've required stitches.
Good call.


I also wouldn't put it in the funny category. Shocking maybe...
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
I hate to interrupt all the moday-morning quarterbacking, but here's my two cents worth:

First of all, I wasn't there, so I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT HAPPENED, all I know is what I can see from the video, and what I've been told by Jack.

Secondly, I'm not sure that anybody, outside of the few people who were standing there at the time of the jump, can decide who was at fault or who is to blame. THESE THINGS ARE CALLED ACCIDENTS FOR A REASON. Depending on which side you're on, you can argue equally well for either person being at fault if you present the evidence in the right way, but NO ONE here, including me, knows enough about what happened to say for sure. Because regardless of how strictly you follow the safety rules, and regardless of how carefully you ski, the minute you've started moving (in the park or otherwise), you're skiing on instinct alone, and there isn't a prayer in hell that you'll be able to consciously change what you're doing in the split-second you have to react in a life-threatening situation such as this.

I'll admit that I'm a little biased toward's the pro-jumper perspective because the jumper is a friend of mine, and it was the jumper who told me the story, but no matter how you look at it, no one is to blame.

As you all have said, the spotter should have checked the LZ, the little girl should never have been in the park, the coach should have paid more attention, the girl shouldn't have been in the LZ to begin with, Jack should have know exactly what kind of risk he was taking when he dropped in, and he should never have launched if there was any possibilty of someone being there...The list goes on and on. But even the most anal-retentive and paranoid person in the world can't ski under complete control EVER, and regardless of how careful you are in everything you do, you can never eliminate all possibility of something terrible happening.

As far as I'm concerned, no one is to blame here. There was nothing Jack could have done, nothing the girl could have done, nothing the spotter or the coach or the parents could have done to change what happened. And, even if you don't think this movie is funny, or if you think that Jack should be reamed a new you-know-what for hitting this poor little girl, I think that ALL of you would find that, when put in the same position, you couldn't have done anything better. In fact, it's truly incredible that Jack handled the situation as well as he did, because in a fight-or-flight situation such as the one he encountered in midair, not only did he not panic, freeze, and LAND on the girl (which certainly would have done some serious damage), but instead he stuck to his guns and probably ended up saving that girl's life, leaving her with only a scraped up helmet and a few bad memories, instead of a wheelchair and respirator.

I don't pretend to be arrogant enough to think that I can judge any situation like this from the comfort of my computer chair, and I don't think that anyone else who wasn't there should. All of you have made great points and argued your opinions ad nauseum, but as far as I'm concerned, what's done is done, and it really doesn't matter if you laughed at this video or not. If nothing else, seeing this movie has given you all something to think about, and something to discuss over tomorrow night's dinner, and no matter which side you're on, I guarantee that this video has changed the way you look at skiing.
post #21 of 22
bakination088: As far as I'm concerned, no one is to blame here. There was nothing Jack could have done, nothing the girl could have done, nothing the spotter or the coach or the parents could have done to change what happened.

Why of course, the hell with personal responsibility and common sense. If this would have resulted in tragedy then one could always sue the mountain and make it all right, since nobody here is at fault.

Frankly I would have a long talk with the parents of that little girl. The jumper is the last I would blame in this case (assuming there was a spotter). And if the spotter is also the one filming, then I would shove the video camera up his a$$ for being negligent. Plenty of blame to go around here if personal responsibility has any meaning for these people.
post #22 of 22
If you didn't do so the first time, read the comments by viewers. It chills the bones to think that morons like that are on the hill. I'm sure glad they stay in the park. I'll stay as far away from that mindset as I can get.

There are a few reasonable comments, but only a few.

To think this situation is somehow humorous is completely beyond me. It probably has something to do with the video culture. We can watch anything on a tube and it's not really real.

Regardless of who's fault it is this is not a funny situation at all.
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