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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
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Err, what's wrong with
#1 : 10pts
#2 : 9pts
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#10 : 1pt
#11 and down : loser !
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So that people with an average IQ may have a chance to understand how it works...
OTOH, that's a different perspective : low tech cars, boring oval tracks... and the most advanced point system in the history of sports ! / Euro-snob mode off
That's gonna confuse the hell out of NASCAR fans. Especially those three dots.
post #32 of 48
UH Oh! Michael Say it ain't so!

I got home just in time to watch the live press conference about the penalties on Toyota's team Napa Car 55.
Apparently the post qualifying inspection found an undisclosed illegal substance in the engine. Huge penalties, not the least of which is indefinite suspension of two of Michaels top dogs, 100 driver points docked, and 100 team points docked.
This does not bode well for a debut for Toyota.
post #33 of 48
Yeah, been watching the coverage. Bad bad stuff. It's no fault of Toyota, but it sure gives them a black eye from the get-go. NASCAR said they were going to take this stuff more seriously... and they sure have backed that up over the past few days with the penalties.
post #34 of 48
Evernham took a huge hit also, but they seem to be really concentrating on the Waltrip team with the big guns. Good news is, Michael will still be racing. Bad news is, his team screwed up in a big way and will now be starting the season off waaaaaaay behind the game.
Michael has always been one of my favorites because of attitude, and humour. THIS has me shaking my head.
post #35 of 48
In the past, NASCAR was more about the individual teams. They did nearly all of the R&D, engine development, construction and maintenance. The manufacturers mostly provided parts and some token financial and engineering assistance. The teams were responsible for all the real work.

Toyota never did work that way. A Toyota team "owner" doesn't need a 20,000 sq. ft. shop and dozens of fabricators and engine guys. He basically only needs a pit crew and a chassis set-up person. Toyota does all the rest in their own shop. They build the cars and the engines, do the aero work, maintenance and engineering. They bring the car to the track and deliver it to the team, who preps it for the race and races it. Then Toyota collects up the car afterwards and takes it back to their secret lair and fixes it up for the next race. Nobody from the team ever gets to look at the inner workings of the car.

The Big 3 teams are financed almost entirely by corporate sponsorships. Toyota will be footing most of that for their teams, with corporate sponsorships used as a secondary source of income. A corporation will be able to get onto the side of a Toyota for a fraction of the price of a Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

I'm not totally comfortable with Toyota's way of doing business. It takes the talents of the individual team members out of the equation and makes it a corporate undertaking instead. I'd rather see what a Waddell Wilson or a Gary Nelson or a Robert Yates can do to make a car fast, instead of a nameless, faceless team of factory engineers in white lab coats.

I'd prefer seeing a bunch of hot-rodders getting together to see who can build the best hot rod, rather than seeing which giant corporation can outspend the competition for an advantage.
post #36 of 48
Phil, do you have your answer to this question now?
I guess I was waaaaaay off on my predictions
post #37 of 48
Dave DeSpain did a piece on this on Windtunnel the other night. It seems that NASCAR mis-calculated when they let Toyota's truck engine in. It turned out to be too powerful. They told them that they would have to build a different one for "Cup". Next year they will have to use the Cup engine in the trucks.
Just like NASCAR, make up the rules as they go along.
I see I haven't posted this in this thread:
NASCAR = Non Athletic Sports Competition Attended by Rednecks
post #38 of 48
I haven't followed NASCAR at all this year. Is Toyota winning? How's Montoya doing? Where will Dale Jr. go? I'd like to see him driving a 3 car for Childress, any chance of that?
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I haven't followed NASCAR at all this year. Is Toyota winning? How's Montoya doing? Where will Dale Jr. go? I'd like to see him driving a 3 car for Childress, any chance of that?
1- Toyota is sucking a big green weenie!
2- Montoya is holding his own for a first year but not running away with anything
3- Dale Jr is looking more like he's going to a new team, not Childress, but will definitely be in a Budweiser Chevy
Believe it or not, I caught this on a Golf show. The announcer is getting into nascar and said he may be pursuing Bud, which tells me he'll be signing Jr
4- Se #3 for my understanding of this.
post #40 of 48
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I'd like to see him driving a 3 car for Childress, any chance of that?
Well, I'd say 1 out of 2 ain't bad. He might drive for RCR next year, but it won't be in the 3 car.
post #41 of 48
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2- Montoya is holding his own for a first year but not running away with anything
JPM won in Mexico City earlier this season, right? So how is this explained? I don't watch much NASCAR but it seems every time I turn it on for a bit he's running mid pack at best.
post #42 of 48
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JPM won in Mexico City earlier this season, right? So how is this explained? I don't watch much NASCAR but it seems every time I turn it on for a bit he's running mid pack at best.
He won a Busch series race. Think AAA baseball for nascar. Plus, it was on a road course.

Start JPM for on your fantasy teams for Sonoma and Watkins Glen....
post #43 of 48
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He won a Busch series race. Think AAA baseball for nascar.
OK, I seem to remember that now that you mention it. So is he still running the Busch series? If so, how is he doing there?
post #44 of 48
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OK, I seem to remember that now that you mention it. So is he still running the Busch series? If so, how is he doing there?
He's holding his own. He's running a mix of races in a variety of "stock car" series (Arca, busch, cup). FYI, he (and a lot of other nascar starts) are running dirt late models in the "Prelude to a dream" at eldora this week. It's a charity event for the victory junction gang camp. That should be interesting, to say the least. http://www.eldoraspeedway.com/ Scheduled to appear are Tony Stewart, Juan Pablo Montoya, Jeff Gordon, Kasey Kahne, Kevin Harvick, Matt Kenseth, Mark Martin, Denny Hamlin, Bobby Labonte, Bill Elliot, and more...
post #45 of 48
That should be pretty cool. I've been to Eldora but I s'pose I'll look for this one on the tube. Too bad they won't be in sprint cars.

Back to my original question.... and I'm not sure it's a valid point or not.... JPM won in Mexico but hasn't been the least bit exceptional otherwise (please correct me if I'm wrong). What I'm wondering is whether he's just that superior on a street course or did NASCAR allow his team to bend the rules a bit for PR value (the only South American driver winning in the only south of the boarder race). I know IndyCar.... or whatever they are nowadays.... is pretty big in Brazil thanks to the success of Emerson Fittipaldi. I'm sure NASCAR would like to tap into the South American market.

Like I said I don't really follow NASCAR but my dad's been a big fan since it's inception so I get exposed a bit whether I like it or not. I remember a few years ago (maybe more) there was a lot of talk about a certain team or driver being hand picked to win each weekend and given some sort of mechanical advantage like more potent fuel, bigger restricter plate or something.

Anyway, I suppose this is radical conspiracy theory but does this sort of thing get talked about these days?
post #46 of 48
Bumpfreq,

JPM has shown flashes of brillance, but at the same time, he's made a few bonehead moves (nextel open). To consider where and what he was driving a year ago, and the equipment he's in (Chip Ganassi's stuff is honeslty 2nd tier), I think he's doing well. I put him still in the figuring it out mode. When he does, I think he's going to be very good. He'll win a cup race in his career, on an oval.
post #47 of 48
That was said on Windtunnel too. "JPM is doing about as good as the equipment he has can do."
post #48 of 48
My favourite quote from recent windtunnel episode:
Dale Jr will be signing with Michael Waltrip racing, because he wants Sundays off
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