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post #1 of 48
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For those of you who enjoy the left turn league..what are your thoughts on Toyota coming aboard and how do you think they will do?
post #2 of 48
IMO Toyota stands a chance of doing better in its first year than Dodge did in its first year back, only because Toyota has spent some solid time at the top of the field in the Truck series and isn't trying to live up to a legacy.
I don't necessarily think Toyota will be in the top 5.
post #3 of 48
Toyota may be the only NASCAR competitor not bankrupt in 5 years though.

*ducks*
post #4 of 48
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Originally Posted by Barnstormer View Post
Toyota may be the only NASCAR competitor not bankrupt in 5 years though.

*ducks*
you won't get an argument from me on that point.
post #5 of 48
NASCAR now:

Ford, Chevy, Dodge

NASCAR in 2020:

Toyota, Honda, Nissan
post #6 of 48
NASCAR in 10 years Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Mercedes-Benz, BMW.

I want to see Juan Pablo Montoya win a few this year.
post #7 of 48
Hey I have a question how low does your IQ have to be before you start finding NASCAR worth following or watching I mean how exciting is it to watch people make the same turn 2 times a lap and do nothing else that requires any skill whatever I mean something tells me your IQ has to be somewhere around 50 or 60 to find NASCAR worth your time but hey maybe theres some secret complexity that nobodys told me about and I just dont see it because Im too stupid like sjjjjonston told me I was because I didnt go to the kewpie dust academy like he did I mean following NASCAR has to be almost as embarrassing as driving a Range Rover or Hummer I mean what it says is if your a man your manhood is miniscule and if your a woman your selfconfidence is totally lacking thats what it says.
post #8 of 48
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey I have a question how low does your IQ have to be before you start finding NASCAR worth following or watching I mean how exciting is it to watch people make the same turn 2 times a lap and do nothing else that requires any skill whatever I mean something tells me your IQ has to be somewhere around 50 or 60 to find NASCAR worth your time but hey maybe theres some secret complexity that nobodys told me about and I just dont see it because Im too stupid like sjjjjonston told me I was because I didnt go to the kewpie dust academy like he did I mean following NASCAR has to be almost as embarrassing as driving a Range Rover or Hummer I mean what it says is if your a man your manhood is miniscule and if your a woman your selfconfidence is totally lacking thats what it says.
How high does your IQ have to be before you start using punctuation? I follow NASCAR, I really don't see that it is that much different than ski racing. It involves holding on to a machine that weighs thousands of pounds, driving it as fast as you can, sometimes inches from the guy next to you. As well as adapting to changing conditions throughout the course of a race, i.e. races that start during daylight and last well past sunset. Also, don't forget the mental fatigue of doing all those things for 2 to 3 hours. Now, about the OP, I am not sure how I feel. I guess I am not opposed to it, just a sign of changing time and the changing audience.
post #9 of 48
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey I have a question how low does your IQ have to be before you start finding NASCAR worth following or watching
Maybe YOUR IQ is too LOW for you to get it.

And I'll 2nd the punctuation thing. See the little key on your keyboard that looks like this Ever tried using it more than once a post?
post #10 of 48
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Maybe YOUR IQ is too LOW for you to get it.
Yeah your probably right you and sjjjjonston both said Im too stoopid your right Im sure I bet you went to that kewpie doll dust academy too huh there Lonnie man your a clever guy huh I wish I had your sense of humor and superiority then Id probably be a lot richer and probably would be cool too huh?

So now that you finished showing how much smarter you are when are you gonna show me what makes NASCAR so cool there Lonny I mean can you explain it or are you maybe not as smart as you think huh I mean if your smart enough you should be able to explain it in simple terms easy to get right huh?

And hey thanks for the keyboard tip but my keyboards black it doesnt look like that picture you gave me so what about giving me a picture in the right color there smart guy see if your so smart youd of known that my keyboard isnt white.
post #11 of 48
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Originally Posted by jb12string View Post
How high does your IQ have to be before you start using punctuation? I follow NASCAR, I really don't see that it is that much different than ski racing. It involves holding on to a machine that weighs thousands of pounds, driving it as fast as you can, sometimes inches from the guy next to you. As well as adapting to changing conditions throughout the course of a race, i.e. races that start during daylight and last well past sunset. Also, don't forget the mental fatigue of doing all those things for 2 to 3 hours. Now, about the OP, I am not sure how I feel. I guess I am not opposed to it, just a sign of changing time and the changing audience.
So hey thanks there genius guy your almost like Einstein or something arent ya hey wow thats cool the way you broke it down for me there like that so then I guess that walking on a New York City sidewalk is just as hard as NASCAR huh cause you gotta walk inches away from other people walking fast as or faster than you and you gotta find openings in the crowd to get off the sidewalk and go into whatever building or store or restraunt you want to eat at right and then sometimes its cold sometimes its rainy sometimes its hot and when the trashmen are on strike it stinks too so thats a lot of condition changes so I guess that watching people walk on a New York sidewalk is a serious pro sport then huh?
post #12 of 48
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
And hey thanks for the keyboard tip but my keyboards black it doesnt look like that picture you gave me so what about giving me a picture in the right color there smart guy see if your so smart youd of known that my keyboard isnt white.
I'll make sure to send you your Mensa application as soon as I'm done with it. While you're waiting, here's some light reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

As for the buttons, try this one on for size.
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post #13 of 48
Speaking of NASCAR, I have 4 bush and 4 cup tickets available for the May Night races at Richmond Virginia. I know you're tempted Lonnie...........look into the light, you are getting weaker, you must have tickets.........
Honestly I can't make it to the may race this year and will sell the tickets at my cost if any one is interested, PM me.
post #14 of 48
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Speaking of NASCAR, I have 4 bush and 4 cup tickets available for the May Night races at Richmond Virginia. I know you're tempted Lonnie...........look into the light, you are getting weaker, you must have tickets.........
Honestly I can't make it to the may race this year and will sell the tickets at my cost if any one is interested, PM me.
Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can you hypnotize my wife?
post #15 of 48
Thread Starter 
What about Toyota????????? Thats all I wanted to know.
post #16 of 48
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can you hypnotize my wife?
I could give it a try.
Just think this is a package for 4 bush and 4 cup so you could go with friends and make a mini vacation of it.

Also, I'm willing to split the tickets to two sets of two, but I'm not willing to separate the bush from cup.
Think about it and send your wife to me, I'll convince her.
post #17 of 48
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
What about Toyota????????? Thats all I wanted to know.
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
IMO Toyota stands a chance of doing better in its first year than Dodge did in its first year back, only because Toyota has spent some solid time at the top of the field in the Truck series and isn't trying to live up to a legacy.
I don't necessarily think Toyota will be in the top 5.
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Originally Posted by Barnstormer View Post
Toyota may be the only NASCAR competitor not bankrupt in 5 years though.

*ducks*
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
NASCAR now:

Ford, Chevy, Dodge

NASCAR in 2020:

Toyota, Honda, Nissan
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
NASCAR in 10 years Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Mercedes-Benz, BMW.

I want to see Juan Pablo Montoya win a few this year.
mmmm, K?
post #18 of 48
My wife's boss may have a serious interest a couple of those Richmond tickets.
Ramshackle, ah, nevermind, it just ain't worth it.
post #19 of 48
JB12String,
PM sent.
post #20 of 48
I've never been to a NASCAR race but I have been caught up in the multi day traffic jams they cause at Bristol, Dover and Pocono Raceways. We need more highways near NASCAR fan nesting areas.
post #21 of 48
Thread Starter 
I also heard something about Nascar changing the bodies? IMHO, making it all about the motor and not about the body where each manufacturer used the shape of a production car spoiled a lot of it for me.
post #22 of 48
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I also heard something about Nascar changing the bodies? IMHO, making it all about the motor and not about the body where each manufacturer used the shape of a production car spoiled a lot of it for me.
Phil,

The problem is a few years ago the teams found out that they could go to the wind tunnel and get a downforce advantage over the other teams. This situation has lead to the dreaded "aero push" that arises on the "intermediate (1.3-2.0) mile tracks. Basically it makes it very difficult to pass as the car in front has so much downforce on the nose, that it turns better than the car behind it. Back in the "Days of Thunder" days, due to the draft, it was an advantage to be the 2nd place car. Now, it's not. Listen to the interviews before/during/after the races, it's all about "clean air". Basically "clean air" trumps almost everything. It's made the racing pretty miserable for about 4-5 years at those types of tracks.

Anyway, NASCAR has put a wing on the the Car of Tomorrow (Car of today?) in order to help change that situation. The idea is that the air will pass underneath the wing and put more air on the nose of the car. Along with that, I think they should "outlaw" wind tunnel time or make folks share the data from their testing. That would really help some of the smaller teams and take some of the advantages away from the Roush/Hendrick/Evernhams/RCR's.

I also think that all re-starts should be double file with the lead lap cars then the lap down cars (to keep the lap down cars out of the way of the lead lap cars so they don't influence the outcome of the race).

My most radical proposal is that they totally rework the points system. A few extra points here and there aren't going to change anything. Scrap the whole darned thing and start over. The "current" points system was developed in a time before hand held calculators.

Here's what I think...

500 points for first place.
25 point drop off for places 1-11 (11th is worth 250 points)
10 point drop off for places 12-26 (12th is worth 240 and 26 is worth 100 points)
5 point drop off for places 27-35 (27th is worth 95 points and 35 is worth 55 points)
Places 36-43 are worth 50 points.

Bonus points
A winning bonus equal to the number of laps in the race ie Daytona 500 is 200 bonus points.

1 bonus point for each lap led. This is pretty much the whole key to my points system. It turns the points system in to a REAL preformanced based system. You lead 500 laps at a race, you get 500 bonus pionts. It would also eliminate staying out under caution to get 5 bonus points, the loss of track position wouldn't be worth it based on the points above.

Overtime laps count towards laps lead and winning bonus.
ie New Hampshire would have been worth 308 points this year.

If race is shortened by rain or other factors, the winning bonus will be the scheduled lap total.
ie Only 129 laps were run at the spring Michigan race last year. However in the model Kasey Kahne got 200 bonus points for winning the race, the scheduled lap total for the race.

500 Bonus points for your first win (thank you Mr. Poole...)

So you go to Daytona, win the race, lead all the laps, and you come out with 1200 points. 2nd place gets 475. My assumption is that the folks 2-12 will win races and get bonus points too.

The Top 12 makes the chase. Tie breaker(s) for 12th, # of wins, then # of Top 5's, then # of Top 10's, then # of laps led.

At the start of the chase, points are re-adjusted with a 200 point drop off from 1st on back. Every race win counts for 200 additional chase points.

The points would be high (compared to what we have now), but the system would be more fair.

And to think, Ramshackle said you didn't have to be smart to enjoy nascar...
post #23 of 48
Who was the guy on this board that had the tag: Too dumb for opera, too smart for NASCAR?
post #24 of 48
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Originally Posted by Lucky View Post
Who was the guy on this board that had the tag: Too dumb for opera, too smart for NASCAR?
I don't know, but I want to steal it...
post #25 of 48
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
So hey thanks there genius guy your almost like Einstein or something arent ya hey wow thats cool the way you broke it down for me there like that so then I guess that walking on a New York City sidewalk is just as hard as NASCAR huh cause you gotta walk inches away from other people walking fast as or faster than you and you gotta find openings in the crowd to get off the sidewalk and go into whatever building or store or restraunt you want to eat at right and then sometimes its cold sometimes its rainy sometimes its hot and when the trashmen are on strike it stinks too so thats a lot of condition changes so I guess that watching people walk on a New York sidewalk is a serious pro sport then huh?
Wow...I just had a flashback to the pre-Web days, when postings by a "Waste-O" would pop up on the rec.autos newsgroup. Hey, ramshackle, you don't by any chance drive a Trans-Am, do you?
post #26 of 48
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
...
My most radical proposal is that they totally rework the points system. A few extra points here and there aren't going to change anything. Scrap the whole darned thing and start over. The "current" points system was developed in a time before hand held calculators.

Here's what I think...

500 points for first place.
25 point drop off for places 1-11 (11th is worth 250 points)
10 point drop off for places 12-26 (12th is worth 240 and 26 is worth 100 points)
5 point drop off for places 27-35 (27th is worth 95 points and 35 is worth 55 points)
Places 36-43 are worth 50 points.

Bonus points
A winning bonus equal to the number of laps in the race ie Daytona 500 is 200 bonus points.

1 bonus point for each lap led. This is pretty much the whole key to my points system. It turns the points system in to a REAL preformanced based system. You lead 500 laps at a race, you get 500 bonus pionts. It would also eliminate staying out under caution to get 5 bonus points, the loss of track position wouldn't be worth it based on the points above.

Overtime laps count towards laps lead and winning bonus.
ie New Hampshire would have been worth 308 points this year.

If race is shortened by rain or other factors, the winning bonus will be the scheduled lap total.
ie Only 129 laps were run at the spring Michigan race last year. However in the model Kasey Kahne got 200 bonus points for winning the race, the scheduled lap total for the race.

500 Bonus points for your first win (thank you Mr. Poole...)

So you go to Daytona, win the race, lead all the laps, and you come out with 1200 points. 2nd place gets 475. My assumption is that the folks 2-12 will win races and get bonus points too.

The Top 12 makes the chase. Tie breaker(s) for 12th, # of wins, then # of Top 5's, then # of Top 10's, then # of laps led.

At the start of the chase, points are re-adjusted with a 200 point drop off from 1st on back. Every race win counts for 200 additional chase points.

The points would be high (compared to what we have now), but the system would be more fair.

And to think, Ramshackle said you didn't have to be smart to enjoy nascar...
:
Err, what's wrong with
#1 : 10pts
#2 : 9pts
...
#10 : 1pt
#11 and down : loser !
?
So that people with an average IQ may have a chance to understand how it works...
OTOH, that's a different perspective : low tech cars, boring oval tracks... and the most advanced point system in the history of sports ! / Euro-snob mode off
post #27 of 48
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Originally Posted by Snowsport View Post
Wow...I just had a flashback to the pre-Web days, when postings by a "Waste-O" would pop up on the rec.autos newsgroup. Hey, ramshackle, you don't by any chance drive a Trans-Am, do you?
ramshackle doesn't drive a Trans Am.

I bet he drives a Volvo or a Toyota Prius.
post #28 of 48
Maybe its a honda prius!
(if anyone listens to sean hannity, they'll understand that one)
post #29 of 48
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
:
Err, what's wrong with
#1 : 10pts
#2 : 9pts
...
#10 : 1pt
#11 and down : loser !
?
So that people with an average IQ may have a chance to understand how it works...
OTOH, that's a different perspective : low tech cars, boring oval tracks... and the most advanced point system in the history of sports ! / Euro-snob mode off
Phil, I thought that was the way F1 did it....
post #30 of 48
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
For those of you who enjoy the left turn league..what are your thoughts on Toyota coming aboard and how do you think they will do?
Well here's a bit of news on the Toyota front.
http://www.racingone.com/article.aspx?artnum=33202
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