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Head Supershape users?

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Thread Starter 
I am looking for a new 13 m or less quick turning carver.
I am a level 7/8 carver, 6 in bumps, currently have Volkl 5* @ 168, AC4 @ 170 and Volkl SS Superspeed @175 with Falcon 10 boots. I'm 5'10" 195 a power more than finesse style skier. I'm looking for a quicker more lively turner to replace my 5* and the Head Supershape @165 looks like what I may be looking for. I would use it for on 80% on piste and 20% bumps. It is difficult to find a demo so how does this ski sound like it would suit me?
Thanks for any help.

post #2 of 15
Ok, I'm not a Supershape owner, but the selection sounds good based on my buddies who rave about the ski. However go up to a 170cm size for a 195 Lbs skier.

Where do you ski?

Michael
post #3 of 15
Hey EricS Ive skied that Supershape its a hotrod for sure but what Id ask you is why you think it would be a lot different from your Volkl 5 stars I mean what are you assuming here when you start looking at switching to the Supershape see if all you want to do is get a new ski then hey go for it man sometimes thats what makes skiing more fun but what Im worried about is your expecting something from the Supershape that it might not give you if you know what I mean. One thing Id say for sure is that the Supershape isnt a power skiers ski its a finesse ski and if your moves are off the money then your gonna be on your butt in the snow or maybe worse what I mean is you cant make it obey you by just giving it more power thats not the recipe that makes it cook.
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Ok, I'm not a Supershape owner, but the selection sounds good based on my buddies who rave about the ski. However go up to a 170cm size for a 195 Lbs skier.

Where do you ski?

Michael
Michael,
Thanks for the response. I ski mostly at Santa Fe and Taos. I'm thinking 165 because I want to maximize SL type turns the days I ski it. I have my AC4s for tree and crud days and Superspeeds for GS groomer days. Also, I've seen you're an RX8 guy. They are sort of on my list but I'm concered that they have more of a speed limit than the Heads. Your thoughts?
Thanks, Eric
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey EricS Ive skied that Supershape its a hotrod for sure but what Id ask you is why you think it would be a lot different from your Volkl 5 stars I mean what are you assuming here when you start looking at switching to the Supershape see if all you want to do is get a new ski then hey go for it man sometimes thats what makes skiing more fun but what Im worried about is your expecting something from the Supershape that it might not give you if you know what I mean. One thing Id say for sure is that the Supershape isnt a power skiers ski its a finesse ski and if your moves are off the money then your gonna be on your butt in the snow or maybe worse what I mean is you cant make it obey you by just giving it more power thats not the recipe that makes it cook.
Ramshackle,
I would expect the Supershapes to be noticably quicker that the 5*s which are just as happy to make longer turns. I want something with more of a difference compared to my AC4s and Superspeeds. Have you skied the 5*? Also I'm not concerned about being sloppy I just don't want a ski that I over power. I'm under the impression that the heads can handle power.
Thanks, Eric
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
Michael,
Thanks for the response. I ski mostly at Santa Fe and Taos. I'm thinking 165 because I want to maximize SL type turns the days I ski it. I have my AC4s for tree and crud days and Superspeeds for GS groomer days. Also, I've seen you're an RX8 guy. They are sort of on my list but I'm concered that they have more of a speed limit than the Heads. Your thoughts?
Thanks, Eric
Here is a review i provided on the 175cm size, I'm 220 Lbs;

"Ski: Fischer 175cm RX-8
Comments: I spent 3 hours on the RX-8 at Stratton, Vermont. This is another great ski with multiple personalities. I enjoyed the edge to edge quickness and the slalom like turn shapes that are very accessible. The ski is very cooperative at all speeds. At 175cm, it will give you long turns with superb stability and then throw down a series of rapid shorties like it was a 165cm Atomic SL:11. At one point I followed a couple of local skiers on racing slalom skis and I was able to duplicate their pencil-line tracks with no problem.


One issue I had with the ski that could be resolved with more experience was the use of both carving and soft edge technique; the ski will accommodate either type of turn and seemed to have no preference. I set the Railflex position at +15mm and this may have limited the skis long turn carving ability a little.

The ski is not tiring or demanding. A great ski for the experienced users looking for a great on-piste ride. My son found the ski very stable in the soft natural snow at Killington. He was using it as a crud-buster with no problem. A great ski for all on-piste conditions."

The general opinion is that the RX8 is easier & more versatile in soft snow than the Supershape. The Supershape is more demanding, but provides more edgegrip and high G-force carving thrills. Neither are built for Super GS race speeds but both are very stable in any recreational situation.

Considering that you have the AC4 for softer days, Pick the Supershape. The 165cm was designed for lighter skiers (at some point). Absolutely take a 170cm, that size is still quick feeling. My 160 lbs buddy uses a 170cm.

Hope that helped.

Michael
post #7 of 15
The Supershape is an incredible ski, and I ski the 170cm as well. Also check out the Elan Speedwave 14, as I perfer it a bit to the Supershape these days (best hard snow non-race carver I have yet tried). The key is mounting it rearward of center for versatility and more forgiveness. As for a turning powerhouse, the Speedwave 14 has more energy and lateral stiffness than the Supershape (SS is a tad bit more forgiving).

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=48898
post #8 of 15
I really like my Supershapes. The 165 should be fine for you and your use. The SS comes with a pre-drilled lifter plate, and try the binding at least 1 cm forward of the mark if the holes fit.


Ken
post #9 of 15
I ski the Head Supershapes in 165cm. I am 168lbs, 5'6", advanced skier.

They feel a little short at higher speeds (GS turns) but are nice for hard, precise SL carved turns. They feel a little heavy when doing quick or pivoted turns in bumps.

They are perfect for an advanced skier with solid modern technique. They definitely prefer to be on edge. And I would not call the SS super lively. You have to work for that rebound.

I ski them in bumps, where they are not ideal, but can be managed. A strong bumps skier would have no problem. They are not pleasant in powder because they want to turn too quickly. They are great in crud, up to a certain speed.

If you want a SL ski, get the 165cm. I can see why a strong and/or heavy ski racer could overpower the Supershapes. But I don't think you would experience that at your level.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
Ramshackle,
I would expect the Supershapes to be noticably quicker that the 5*s which are just as happy to make longer turns. I want something with more of a difference compared to my AC4s and Superspeeds. Have you skied the 5*? Also I'm not concerned about being sloppy I just don't want a ski that I over power. I'm under the impression that the heads can handle power.
Thanks, Eric
Nope I havent skied the 5stars but I have talked to people who have and I trust what they tell me about their skis ya know but anyway the Supershape will be quicker even in 170 length but more demanding of being centered on the ski and more punishing if you arent especially at turn finish it has a wicked kick at the end of the turn if your pressuring it along the foot during the turn and finishing with heel pressure. Your right you can give it power my point was more that if you just want to stomp on a ski and expect that to do what your looking for then there might be better skis for you but it seems your not talking about that so Id say check out the 170 Supershapes man.
post #11 of 15
I did a recent review of the Supershapes in 165; liked them so much I bought a pair from Dawgcatching. I've also owned the 6* in 175 and 168, and skied the 5* in 175. For my money, the 165 SS is quicker, smoother (which is saying something), more energetic, better in light pow and crud, and a bit more forgiving than the 6* in 168. Far better then the 5*; different league. Not as rock stable as the 6* at higher speeds, not as linear in its power off the tail, and not as good on sheet ice.

SS is the best all around carver I've been on so far.
post #12 of 15
Eric,
I demoed the Supershape late last spring with the intention of eventually buying a pair. I really liked them--BUT--then I demoed the Volkl Allstar (168cm) and I liked them even better (this is what I ended up with this year). I tried both the 165 and the 170 in the Supershape and liked the 170 much better. I thought both skis (Volkl & Head) were comparable at short, carved turns. But for high-speed GS type turns, there was no comparison-the Allstars felt supremely stable. I am heavier than you (225).
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone, a lot of great feedback. It seems the concensus is that I should be on a 170. Does anyone know thw radius on the 170?
Thanks, Eric
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
I really like my Supershapes. The 165 should be fine for you and your use. The SS comes with a pre-drilled lifter plate, and try the binding at least 1 cm forward of the mark if the holes fit.
I'm curious. What difference does the more forward mount make for you? FWIW I have 3 days on my 165 Supershapes (I'm 6' 160) and I love them.
post #15 of 15
Eric,

The radius of the 170cm SS should still be well below 13 meters. It has the same dimensions as the 165cm ski (121-66-106), so I would guess around 12-12.5 meters.
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