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Stowe growth, NY Times

post #1 of 20
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I won't post the link - you'd get there and have to register - but if interested, The NY Times has an article ("The Ageless Stowe Inches Toward a Facelift") on the planned $225-million "refurbishing" of "The Ski Capital of the East." Groundbreaking begins this summer.
post #2 of 20
I have to admit, I'm not happy about that.I've been skiing Stowe
for a long time. My 1st year there, the single chair was still in operation.I like that it's not modern and homoginized.Oh well, worse case scenario, there is still Whiteface & Gore.
post #3 of 20
unfortunately I think the folks that have made Stowe a version of the Hamptons in VT have spoken and would like to make the place look like Deer Valley. Certain improvements are needed but I think your going to see a lot of posh extras put up. Oh well MRG is 40 minutes away.
post #4 of 20
Let's face it, Stowe needs something to justify their prices. Of course with this much improvement it might become like Stratton now. It's not like it's MadRiver there. The "main lodge" is pathetic having not changed since it was built, and it was never meant to handle that many people.

"Ski Capital of the East"? Not with the present infrastructure. Whether bigger is better I don't know, but they need some refurbishing that's for sure. I like the mountain, but their attitude kills me everytime. They actually think people from outwest want to fly to ski there. Yeah right, only because they might have friends/relatives out east who they want to see more.

(What's up with that main chairlift that's so low they have to block the trail off so you don't ski into it?)

I'll agree it was better in the days they gave you the ponchos before boarding the lift than now. Still, something needs to be done.
post #5 of 20
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come on, who flies to the EAST to ski?

[ March 14, 2003, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #6 of 20
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[ March 14, 2003, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #7 of 20
Who flies to the East Coast to ski? Actually I have met plenty of Brits skiing at Stowe, Sunday River, Killington and Cannon (of all places) who flew to the US to ski in New England. ASC and apparantly Ski NH actively market New England skiing to the British with some success. I'm not saying that the fact that some hardy souls make the flight across the pond to ski in New England validates anything, but people do make the trip.
post #8 of 20
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aksherlly, tali, i'll be back in them eastern woods next year, for my first ski-the-east experience.

[ March 14, 2003, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #9 of 20
I guess it comes down to what you want from a ski resort.I am not the pamper pamper type person. In fact when I don't bring my wife to Stowe, I crash in a basic flea bag $29. room.The ski experience to me is just that...a SKI experience.Spas',resort villages phony little clock towers leave me cold.I kind of like the uphill walk to the lift because i know it means on a snowy day, I ski right to my car catching a little air on my way to the parking lot.That said, I guess todays vacationer needs all the fru fru to commit to a resort.It even has a name "the total resort experience".I forsee a future Stowe more concerned with Condo sales than skiing. Sugarbush is still cool. Still a bit of a throw back.
Employee attitude at Stowe can really suck.Maybe they should up the pay scale to attract a better employee who actually cares about the place.All the new building in the world is not going to fix that problem.
As far as being a destination resort for anyone but east coasters,thats a pipe dream.I know a lot of brits make the crossing but most i talk to say they will just keep flying next time and go out west.
I'm glad I made it there a few times this year just in case i abandon ship after the face lift.MRW
post #10 of 20
Well geeze guys, sorry to hear you feel that way. I look forward to the expansion. I think we could use a few new lifts and lodges, and I don't see how adding lodging will make the mountain ski any different. I'm really suprised to see what you say about Stowe employees' attitude, it sure seems a friendly place to me, and as far as I can tell, the guests feel that way too.

Tog - you don't hear me hatin' on your mountain (which I had a season pass at '83-'01) - I'm sure much of what you said about Stowe was said when the Mueller's took over. Sure the Pomas had some charm, and I liked the old World Cup and Rimrock better, but do you not agree it is a better mountain now? How much money has been spent there? Did the addition of hundreds (or is it thousands) of condos ruin Okemo?

Well, whatever... ski what you want, but this is the best skiing I've been able to find in the East.
post #11 of 20
Those of us who can remember Stowe from the 70's (and some, even earlier!) will hate to see it become another Stratton, even if it means better lifts, trails, ammenities, etc. It's progress, I suppose; and we're always being told to "embrace change" rather than fight it. So please forgive us Old Timers if we cry a few tear drops in our beers, when our old playgrounds are torn down for more modern ones.
post #12 of 20
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Originally posted by hugo:
Those of us who can remember Stowe from the 70's (and some, even earlier!) will hate to see it become another Stratton, even if it means better lifts, trails, ammenities, etc. It's progress, I suppose; and we're always being told to "embrace change" rather than fight it. So please forgive us Old Timers if we cry a few tear drops in our beers, when our old playgrounds are torn down for more modern ones.
That's hitting the nail on the head
post #13 of 20
OK, OK, I didn't read the article, I wish I had. If someone wants to send it to meI'd love to see it. What is happening to the "playground", are they going to bulldoze Mansfield? I don't see how the Hamlet ruins the skiing at Stowe.
post #14 of 20
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Originally posted by epic:
OK, OK, I didn't read the article, I wish I had. If someone wants to send it to meI'd love to see it. What is happening to the "playground", are they going to bulldoze Mansfield? I don't see how the Hamlet ruins the skiing at Stowe.
New base lodge, Numerous condos, the usual base village w/clock,
spruce interconnect, 18 holes of golf on what is now a parking lot, water diversion for snow making.

prediction--- 15 years after the rape,it will be left rotten and forgotten like Sugarbush.Belly up bankrupt.The place will pass from owner to owner because no one will be able to make debt service.Lift tickets will be around $100. per day and they won't be able to figure out why skier days have plummeted. Finaly some genius with a masters in business will say that skiing is dead and that will be that.

No amount of money is going to turm Stowe into Whistler or Vail.the name of the game is real estate and time shares. AIG does not give a rats ass about skiing.
post #15 of 20
I wrote off Stowe several years ago. It's been nothing but a "Northern Outpost" of NYC. It was feeling like I was visiting my wifes cousins out on Lawng Eyeland.

Trying to charge me more on a spring pre-paid package "Because it snowed.", was the last insult they could add.

They will be a resort of last resort.
post #16 of 20
Ok guys, I've just returned from 7 weeks in Stowe, at no time did I find the employee's any less than helpful, agreed they were mainly from Brazil and Chile (cafe workers and lifties)and no doubt on poor rates of pay. The two mountains do need a better link as opposed to the inter-mountain shuttle bus.

The sking in general, whilst frigid cold at times, was a hugely enjoyable experience. Will I return to Stowe? yup, without doubt. The Stowe experience is unique, the mountain road has retained its character, hopefully this wont be affected by any future developments that are made.
post #17 of 20
Colin:

Are you going on record that skiing in the U.S. (and particularly in New England) is NOT boring?

I'm interested in hearing from a non-Yank standpoint... what did you find unique and enjoyable (and different from what you might encounter in the Alps)?
post #18 of 20
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Tog - you don't hear me hatin' on your mountain (which I had a season pass at '83-'01) -epic
epic, I'm not "hatin" on your mountain. In fact I like the mountain very much. Besides I was the one arguing they need to do something to the lodge. (As do "we" - as if I represent "my" mountain)
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Did the addition of hundreds (or is it thousands) of condos ruin Okemo?
I'd say the long range planning at that time was pretty bad, yes. Did it "ruin" it- maybe for some. Not for me since I never skied there before that time.

I have to go with Yuki's comment though. Two years ago we showed up at Stowe on April 15th. They had the gall to charge christmas day rates "because it's winter conditions". We were actually told by guest services that "People are coming here from Colorado because we've had so much snow" Yeah right. Turned out National, liftline, and Starr where all closed because it rained and then froze but they're still charging holiday rates.
We skied there the first day then said screw it and went down to Madriver and had a blast.

By the way the Brits are flying West to ski at Stowe and killington and everywhere else. (I still don't know why)
post #19 of 20
I had the pleasure of sharing a few lift rides at Stowe with some Brits a year ago. I said "I HAVE to ask : Why fly all the way across the Atlantic, when the great ski areas of Europe are so much closer?" To which they answered that the package rates they were offered to ski at Stowe were close to or better than most of the "big name" European resorts, which also tended to be booked solid early in the season. They also said they felt more welcome among the Yanks than with the Euro Snobs (my term for a few uncharitable characterizations of the French and German-speaking skiers at the European resorts).
post #20 of 20
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Originally posted by jamesdeluxe:
Colin:

Are you going on record that skiing in the U.S. (and particularly in New England) is NOT boring?

I'm interested in hearing from a non-Yank standpoint... what did you find unique and enjoyable (and different from what you might encounter in the Alps)?
James, in all honestly and I'll probably get fried over this !!! I was made very, very welcome by all people I encountered at Stowe, from riding lifts with polite kids, to having a beer with a 70yr surfer dude (his words not mine)

The level of customer service far exceeds any that exist in Europe (ok, a generalisation I appreciate) Crowds? what crowds, midweek Stowe was like your own personal mountain

I did indeed feel far more welcome in Stowe than I'd previously felt in Europe, i.e. people actually smiled and chatted.

Another reason I enjoyed it, was the pure fact it wasn't full of package holiday makers, all walking around with boots fully undone and waving their planks around. The level of expertise of the skiers was very high.

Whilst in Vermont I also skied at Killington, enjoyed it, but was happier at the relatively quiet slopes of Stowe.

So to summerise, Bored? no way and I had 7 weeks to get bored.

Hope this explains my viewpoint a little clearer.

Colin
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