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Initial impressions: 2008 Elan Magfire Magma

post #1 of 28
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Note: This was already posted deep in the all-mountain thread, but it was suggested to me that it should have it's own thread (it is a 2008 ski, after all).

Ski Tested: 2008 Elan Magfire Magma 176cm: This ski is 82mm underfoot, and has a 17m turn radius. Bindings are ELD12's (Tyrolia RFD12's mounted for the Fusion system). The flex feels much stiffer than the 666/Magfire 12 that it is essentially replacing. The new Magfire 12 for 2007 will have 1 sheet of metal, whereas the Magma has 2 sheets.

Conditions were less than ideal for testing all-mountain skis. We haven't seen snow in 2 weeks, and it has been warm and sunny since. The groomers are fairly solid (a little soft, with firm hero-snow underneath) whereas off-piste conditions are horrible (glazed-over refreeze that won't thaw in January on a North-facing mountain, no matter how warm the temps are). This was the end of the day, so there were snow clumps all over the steeper runs. Conditions were fairly demanding as far as groomers go.

I skied the current Magfire 12 before getting onto the new Magma. The Magma was straight out of the wrapper, except for base-bevel check I did on it, and also getting the edges sharp to 1 degree.

The Magfire 12 was exactly how I remember it: extremely stable in these conditions, with no real speed limit. Alot of energy in the tail, especially when loaded up under a powerful carve. And, wicked edge hold. Quick edge-to-edge for an all-mountain weapon, and I would say, a 50/50 ski or maybe even slightly biased toward the groomers. It reminds me of the Elan GSX stock race ski, only a but more forgiving.

Once I got warmed up on that ski, it was time to try the Magma. As I noted earlier, the ski seems stiffer in flex than any Elan I have skied, save for the Speedwave 14. Therefore, I really didn't know what to expect. And, it didn't ski really like previous Elan's I have tried. The energy of the Magfire 12 or 777 wasn't there, but was replaced by a smooth, very solid and stout-feeling ski underfoot. The speed limit was the same as the Magfire 12, if not a little higher. The ski was actually more forgiving: I could cruise on it with less energy required, and the tail would release a little more predictably. With that said, I could get some big arcs at speed on this ski. It wasn't as quick edge-to-edge, but once there, it held like glue. The energy in the tail was there, but doesn't seem to be a springboard like the the Magfire 12. It has more of a powerful, big-ski, no speed limit feel. On the hard stuff, it felt like a truckin' GS. Forget small-radius turns. And, it felt comparable to other 82mm skis I have tried on hard snow: a little slow edge-to-edge, with decent energy, but not a replacement for a dedicated hard-snow ski like a Speedwave/Supershape/Mach3. This ski, like every other ski I have tried that is 82mm underfoot, just doesn't have the same juice or excitement underfoot as the narrower skis on the market. But, it is more than passable, as are the other contenders in this category. Don't let some high-school kid working at the shop convince you otherwise-if you live back East, I would look at a versatile narrower ski first, and buy a wider ski as a quiver component, unless you do most of your skiing out West on vacation.

I didn't have other skis to test that day, but if I were pressed to compare it, I would speculate that it is much more comparable to the Nordica Jet Fuel and Afterburner than any of Elan's previous offerings. It felt stiffer and more stable than the Afterburner, but not as stiff as the Jet Fuel. The overall feel of both of those skis (as I remember them) was present in the Magma. I thought it was a little more heavy-feeling than the Head iM82 and had a touch more energy. Definitely more of a big-turn ski than the AC4, for better or worse.

Unfortunately, I couldn't test this ski where it belongs, in the crud. It is impossible to say how this ski will do in those conditions, although I have no reason to believe it won't do very well there also. Therefore, LARGE DISCLAIMER until I get it into some better conditions. But, as it stands now, I really had fun on it. If it falls into that realm between the Afterburner and Jet Fuel, I will be very happy indeed (my complaint about the Afterburner was that I could find the speed limit, and the Jet Fuel was too stiff). I wouldn't say, though, that it is an upgrade over the current Magfire 12, merely a different ski that has it's own pluses and minuses. I would choose the Magfire 12 if I was skiing hard snow alot of the time, as it was quicker edge-to-edge and has more energy. I fully expect the Magma to have the edge in deeper snow.
post #2 of 28
Thanks for the info Dawg, You're always working for us here at Epic.
A ski that is a midpoint between the Jet Fuel and Afterburner would be interesting.
Now if it would just start snowing again!
post #3 of 28
Hmmm. looks like a winner from elan. Some day....some day
post #4 of 28
Personally I can't wait to get on this ski. This is the one targeting the Volkl AC4 and Nordica JF/Afterburner. It's definitely at the top of my demo list.
post #5 of 28
Hey there dawg whats that ski gonna sell for at your shop?
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey there dawg whats that ski gonna sell for at your shop?

I don't know yet, as I haven't recieved my price booklet.
post #7 of 28

Magmas

i work at a new hampshire mountain that has a demo deal with elan, so like dawgcatching i have tried virtually the entire line. without a doubt, i think the magmas are by far the best all around ski in the elan line. i have had the pleasure of sneaking out on these on 4 different days, and have skied everything from ice, groomers, crud, and most recently yesterday in 15 inches of powder. on the ice they hold an amazing edge, in the crud they really perform by plowing through anything, and they can certainly hold their own in some powder (obviously with an 82cm waist they are not a powder specific ski but they do well regardless). as with elan's higher end skis, it has 2 layers of titanium for sniffness, but with the speedwave the ski is allowed to flex like a softer ski where and when needed but maintain stiffness where and when needed. as for edge to edge quickness i would have to disagree with dawgcatching...in the all mountain realm, i find the magmas to be quite quick from edge to edge. they also have the ability for all turn types. long arcs are maintained with awesome edge grip, medium size turns are effortless, and short turns are also very easy. i, by far, find them to have the most energy out of the magfire line. much better rebound and edge to edge speed than both the mag 10s and 12s. i totally expect the magmas to get awesome reviews for next year's batch of all mountain skis.

as for the question about pricing...i believe our shop has them for $849
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by ramshackle View Post
Hey there dawg whats that ski gonna sell for at your shop?
Street price is $899. I will let my demo pair go next month for $525 w/bindings.
post #9 of 28
For me it will be between this ski and the 888. I need to ski this before making a decision.
post #10 of 28
Where is this ski in the elan homepage?
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by mogul-dude View Post
Where is this ski in the elan homepage?
It is listed as the Elan Magfire 14.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
i totally expect the magmas to get awesome reviews for next year's batch of all mountain skis.

mmmm, like the rags totally snubbed the 10,12 and 14 dude!
post #13 of 28
Dawg, in terms of one parameter - stiffness - how would rank three skis you know: AC4/40, Mag 12 (not 14), iM82? Thanks.
post #14 of 28
Thank you, I looked at the Mag 14 and am going to ski them in the NW (Washington State). The ski selector recommends -10 cm of my height. I'd prefer to ski my own height?
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by mogul-dude View Post
Thank you, I looked at the Mag 14 and am going to ski them in the NW (Washington State). The ski selector recommends -10 cm of my height. I'd prefer to ski my own height?
depends mostly on how heavy you are.
post #16 of 28
I had a pair of 178 (176?) in the locker room for about a week last year. I was excited to ski them, because they looked really cool; nice dimensions, sweet grahpics. I have really liked the 666, 888, and the 777, but hated the Mag 10 and 12(no way that is the same as the 666). I am 5'6" 170 lbs, Level 3 instructor/trainer. I skied them with Dolomite Z Pro 110, on firm but nice snow.

First impression from skating to the chair was that it unfortunately felt like every other Magfire I had been on. I took a couple groomers and it just felt like total mush underfoot. It really felt unbalanced, like the softest part of the ski was right under the binding. I would roll it on edge, and it would just bend mush and wash. I skied it fast, slow, more steering/less edging, more edging/less steering, etc... Nope, nothing seemed to work for me. I took it for a bump run. Scary. The worst ski I have ever taken into a mogul field (maybe not as bad as Mag 10 but close).

I had about 4 other instructors ski it. Nobody liked it. Nobody could figure it out.

A couple guys from the shop thought it was ok in a let's the backseat intermediate get away with it kind of way. I gave it back to the rep at trade fair and unfortunatly did not get to try a different pair.

Just for reference, I spend most of my time on a 167 Outlaw.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Dawg, in terms of one parameter - stiffness - how would rank three skis you know: AC4/40, Mag 12 (not 14), iM82? Thanks.
I would say AC40, Mag 12, iM82 in terms of flexing it by hand. On the snow, the AC40 feels a touch stiffer, whereas the iM82 and Mag12 are pretty similiar. The Mag14 is stiffer than them all.
post #18 of 28
I forget if I posted my review on this ski.

I skied it last year and it is one beefy muthah. It is in the category I concocked as "Race Stock Recreational Skis", most of these type of skis have a softer version of the same dimensions. If you are big and burly, go for it, otherwise the 12 is probably a good choice.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by @mammoth View Post
I had a pair of 178 (176?) in the locker room for about a week last year. I was excited to ski them, because they looked really cool; nice dimensions, sweet grahpics. I have really liked the 666, 888, and the 777, but hated the Mag 10 and 12(no way that is the same as the 666). I am 5'6" 170 lbs, Level 3 instructor/trainer. I skied them with Dolomite Z Pro 110, on firm but nice snow.

First impression from skating to the chair was that it unfortunately felt like every other Magfire I had been on. I took a couple groomers and it just felt like total mush underfoot. It really felt unbalanced, like the softest part of the ski was right under the binding. I would roll it on edge, and it would just bend mush and wash. I skied it fast, slow, more steering/less edging, more edging/less steering, etc... Nope, nothing seemed to work for me. I took it for a bump run. Scary. The worst ski I have ever taken into a mogul field (maybe not as bad as Mag 10 but close).

I had about 4 other instructors ski it. Nobody liked it. Nobody could figure it out.

A couple guys from the shop thought it was ok in a let's the backseat intermediate get away with it kind of way. I gave it back to the rep at trade fair and unfortunatly did not get to try a different pair.

Just for reference, I spend most of my time on a 167 Outlaw.
Were you on the 12 or 14? My time on the 12 was good, and I thought it was a reliable performer, but want more time on it (I only had less than 2 runs, and had to trade out). The 14 was super stiff for me, and it reminded me of the Nordica Jet Fuel. I skied it for several days, and it really shone in anything but soft snow or bumps. I just dusted my fellow skiers when I had this thing up on edge is soft, shallow crud. I was skiing insanely fast for my comfort level, but the ski encouraged those kinds of speeds. But, it dove straight down in powder and just wasn't the right ski in deeper snow.

I am going to send out some 12's with some friends to demo, and see what they think, once the snow flies. Not many people have formed an opinion about this ski yet, as it wasn't around much last spring.
post #20 of 28
I jsut put my father in law on some 12's. I will post a review from him once he skis them.
post #21 of 28
I Skied the Magfire Magma all day yesterday. First of all, I feel that Elans mount point on these is a bit forward, with Dawgs suggestion, I adjusted the binding for a smaller boot 295 vs. the 305 and moved the heal back. This made a big difference over the previous way I skied these. The mount point now is similar to the 888 I ski from time to time.

Conditions were hardpack groomed after a day of rain. Okemo does as good of a job getting a mountain back in order after rain as anyone in the east, 12/25 was no exception. The trails were 90% perfect, the other 10% is where these skis impressed me. These handles the 1-2" golf balls like they weren't there or were just soft snow. NOTHING phased these skis. The rest of my family was getting thrown around by these death cookies, but these skis just skied right through them. My wifes teeth were chattering on her Legend Exclusives These are probably the best crud busting skis I have skied. My only concern with them as being the perfect "all mountain ski" is their stiffness if you are bringing them in the bumps. If you want a ski to go everywhere and bumps, go with the 12, if you stay out of the bumps and sk the crap errr varied conditions we get here in the east, this ski IS rock solid.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
These handles the 1-2" golf balls like they weren't there or were just soft snow. NOTHING phased these skis. The rest of my family was getting thrown around by these death cookies, but these skis just skied right through them. My wifes teeth were chattering on her Legend Exclusives These are probably the best crud busting skis I have skied. My only concern with them as being the perfect "all mountain ski" is their stiffness if you are bringing them in the bumps. If you want a ski to go everywhere and bumps, go with the 12, if you stay out of the bumps and sk the crap errr varried conditions we get here in the east, this ski IS rock solid.
This is exactly how I feel about the Wave Spice. The Speed and Stability stay in tact when other skis leave you searching for your bag of tricks.
I tend to get a bit arrogant on them in the marbles, which barely seem to exist when on the Wave Spice.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
This is exactly how I feel about the Wave Spice. The Speed and Stability stay in tact when other skis leave you searching for your bag of tricks.
I tend to get a bit arrogant on them in the marbles, which barely seem to exist when on the Wave Spice.
Lola was asking about if there was a womans version. I might have to pick up them for her to replace the Legends.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Lola was asking about if there was a womans version. I might have to pick up them for her to replace the Legends.
If she doesn't want another midfat (80w) she may want the speed magics. They are bout the same for stability and crud busting, but a better carver.
May be a nice compliment to the eos.
BTW, the Eos - not good with the death cookies.
post #25 of 28
Great comments Phil, I totally agree. I actually thought last year's "old" Mag 12, if you can ignore the width difference, was a better compromise between this year's Mag 12 and Mag 14 in terms of construction and stiffness. I like the brute strength of the 14 on hardpack and in crud, but it felt much too stout in bumps and very soft snow. I think the ski takes too much energy input, which is something I generally don't apply in those two scenarios.

Elan's forward mount puts me right over BOF with a 325mm sole, whereas other skis are typically 2-3cm (or more) back. I am starting to prefer being back just a little from BOF for all-around use (1-2cm). When I demo'd the Mags last year in powder, they all wanted to tip dive no matter what I did. I think moving the mount back a smidge would have helped a lot.
post #26 of 28
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Great comments Phil, I totally agree. I actually thought last year's "old" Mag 12, if you can ignore the width difference, was a better compromise between this year's Mag 12 and Mag 14 in terms of construction and stiffness. I like the brute strength of the 14 on hardpack and in crud, but it felt much too stout in bumps and very soft snow. I think the ski takes too much energy input, which is something I generally don't apply in those two scenarios.

Elan's forward mount puts me right over BOF with a 325mm sole, whereas other skis are typically 2-3cm (or more) back. I am starting to prefer being back just a little from BOF for all-around use (1-2cm). When I demo'd the Mags last year in powder, they all wanted to tip dive no matter what I did. I think moving the mount back a smidge would have helped a lot.
I tried that with my Mag 14's and they were much improved in the deep snow. Due to the forward mounting, point, they ski "shorter" than a true 176, especially when compared to the Fischer Cold Heat, which mounts 2cm back. The Head iM78 mounts around 1cm back, but I think I prefer the Cold Heat mounting point best. By skiing shorter, I don't mean that they are any less stable, but tip dive is more present in deep snow than it should be on a 176. Mount them back 1cm like I did on the Magfire 12 recently, and they become a lot more balanced and floaty on the soft stuff. I would probably be skiing the Magfire 14 every day if it wasn't for the burly flex in bumps and lack of slow-speed useability. As it is, they are still a fine pair of skis, assuming you like to ski fast.
post #27 of 28

Magma 12

I had the opportunity to ski the Magma 12 (2008 model) in Whistler last January. I'm a Swedish ex-racer and was looking for an all mountain ski that could take a lot of speed (I still ski Atomic race skis), but I didn't know what to think for a few runs. I just wasn't comfortable but continued skiing. I think the width initially bothered me.

Half a day on these and I was hooked. I literally couldn't "boot out" and skiing them aggressively, firmly forward in the boots on hard packed groomers reminded me of race skis, only more forgiving.

If you're an advanced/expert skier looking for one pair, give these a serious try. I doubt you'll buy anything else.

Cheers!
post #28 of 28

"New Mag 12s"

On my 2nd season on the "new" Mag 12 176cm after owning the "old" version.
First impression was of a GS style ski being very stable at speed on the groomers with no speed limit that I could find.
However more time and adjustments in technique I found that they could be skied as pure carve with great edge hold or by moving the skis a bit closer could be skidded in the fall line also in relatively short turns , though not as quick as the as the "old"Mag 12.
One area where they excel is in broken snow and crud where they are very forgiving to the point where you can ignore the snow and just concentrate on the terrain.
In powder more than about 20 cm the tip was a bit too stiff and the waist a bit too narrow.
A great all mountain ski and one of the most versatile skis I have tried.
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