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Q: "Who are You?"

A: Neither one of those dudes.
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post
Does Katana really differ significantly from Sanouk?

Katana looks & reads like just a slight evolutionary tweak to Sanouk as opposed to a major redesign.
Squeaky, check this thread on TGR.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ght=SquareTail

SquareTail is a "Volkl Suit".

Based on that thread, i would agree w/ Whiteroom assessment.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
The K2 booth was the quietest I've seen in years. The new crossfire is vertical sidewall. Coomba looks good. The Hellbent is REALLY rockered...

Icelantic has a new womens/grom ski the Scout SFT. New longer lengths for the Nomad 156 and 163, new Shaman 173 length (longest ski they make) and a longer Pilgrim length.
I guess I have a skewed view of what people ski and aspire to ski. Probably because of where I live & the nature of the local hills.. I'd have thought there'd be some serious excitement & buzz with respect to where K2 is taking powder/off-piste skiing. They are seriously leaving some other players in the dust. The shop guys I know are just about ready to sell body parts to get their hands on Hellbents...

Your news on Icelantic is seriously disappointing to me. I was really hoping for a 175-ish Nomad. Hopping up a measly 7cm is borderline pointless. These guys claim it is all about surface area. Being a tiny bit loose with the numbers, if the current Nomad's design center is someone who weighs 150 pounds (a guess just for discussion purposes)- then using only surface area as a metric - they just moved the needle up to a whopping 157 pounds. If they'd grown it by +/-20cm and fattened the same basic design by a few mm, they could have moved the needle significantly. At 200 pounds, I could have gotten much more excited about that... Maybe with a slightly wider radius while we're at it... Don't get me wrong - I think the Nomad is a cool and versatile little all-terrain ski. And for many (smaller than I am) people in places that usually have soft snow, it could be their all-around go-to ski. Ironically, it is limited for someone my size by having too little surface area for true all-around use - IMO. (edit - I'm making an aassumption here that the 163 is not substantially "fattened")

I think the soft Scout could be a cool ski for small women and kids. I played around on this year's model on hardpack+"marbles" groomers for a few runs the other day. It held up surprisingly well at speed for me (although at my weight I really did treat it as an oversized board/blade). Hardly a hardpack specialist - - but it did OK. And for a smaller person it could carry them through a huge range of terrain & snow.

Not sure what to make of the longer Shaman. The added length might mitigate one of my main complaints about this ski (other than some absolute issues of length) - which is that when out on groomers or hard crust the radical taper over the super short length puts you at some funny angles. Still, at least based on this year's model, I'm not sure they'll get to where they are better than a Prior Doughboy which has a roughly similar taper philosophy....and I'm not at all sure they will be able to compete with the new generation of rockered skis aimed at similar terrain. Don't get me wrong - I had fun playing on this year's Shaman's - but IMO Doughboys are more confidence inspiring & consistent and K2 Pontoons (and presumably Hellbents, etc.) open whole new horizons of fun. Still - the Shamans are interesting "little" powder skis and a 170- version could be worth a look.
post #35 of 48
Whiteroom - do you have any more details on the dimensions for the Stocklis? I'm really surprised the new XXL is only 80mm underfoot. It looks bigger than that in the promo ad.
post #36 of 48
Spin, as a bigger guy I agree I'd like to see a longer length...but thats not really the point. They are supposed to be snowblades on HgH. Prior Doughboys are a longer ski with a little less sidecut and lots of taper, there are many skis that are longer with less sidecut, there aren't many skis like the Icelantics.


(If you ever meet Ben from Icelantic the smallish skis will suddenly make sense...)
post #37 of 48
Noodler the xxl is definately 80mm, I mailed all my catalogs home so I don't have the exact dimensions in front of me but they are close to the schmidt tip and tail with a narrower waist. It fills a niche.

There is a Stormrider L, an XL, a XXL and a XXXL sorta like fast food drink sizes...why not call the L a Sm and the XXXL an XL...I don't know.
post #38 of 48
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Ah, so are you saying there is a "Cool Heat" and a "Cold Heat", Jim? That might explain some of the confusion I had. Do you have sidecut and length dimensions for the Cool version? Thanks.
The "Cool" is 117-76-103 16M @ 170 cm. This is basically, the RX-9 build that is now ~~7mm wider. It comes in 155,160,165,170,175,180.

SJ
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Did anybody there say why look is finally ditching the pivot heel, they've been headed that way for a while but what finally did it. I assume that rossi is done too then?
Rossi lists several models of Axial bindings. Whether they make the cut for production is an open question. The turntable will be there in racing for both companies for a while I suspect.

SJ
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ski Diva View Post
Other than the Firefox, can you tell us about anything new for women's skis?

Thanks!
K2 is doing a Womens Outlaw that will have the full metal treatment of the mens version. There is also a Coomba clone in short sizes. (new Phat Luv) and some waist width tweaking in the middle models but nothing dramatic.

Dyanastar offers a new Exclusive LTD with the Fluid drive rail system @ 120-68-102. There is also a Exclusive pro rider 124-97-116. There is some mid-line tweaking there as well.

The Nordica lineup is pat except for the Firefox. The Victory and Conquer get an impressive Graphic that I think is the best looking out there. (which probably means that women will hate it) FWIW....Katherine and I both put the Victory among the very top womens skis.

The aforementioned Roxy models shold legitimize Roxy as a player in the women's performance market.

Volkl has new graphics but only one new model, the "Fuego" @ 121-73-105 This is on the non switchable Tigershark platform.

Atomic is offering a new Nomad model for women called the "Sugar Mamma" @ 119-79-105.

Rossi has one new one that is on the new Zenith "Multix" platform (complete with two sets of arms and the convenient carry bag)

There was not much that caught my eye from Salomon or Fischer.

SJ
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by Skier-X85 View Post
So, if physics plays a part in anything, does that mean that the hottest fire, whiteheat,(whitehot) will be the most aggressive ski?
The "White" is the bottom of the heat lineup.

SJ
post #42 of 48
Anything new and interesting in the RC4 line ? I saw something called the Progressor...
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
Did anybody there say why look is finally ditching the pivot heel, they've been headed that way for a while but what finally did it. I assume that rossi is done too then?
Not as stupid as the mistakes made by Apple Computer and IBM but it is a pretty darn stupid mistake in my opinion.
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by gregmerz View Post
Anything new and interesting in the RC4 line ? I saw something called the Progressor...
Progressor is 117-70-100, and is built similarly to the current RX-9 but with flowflex. It looks and feels really good, but I think I'm going to carry the Cool.

SJ
post #45 of 48
I heard there's gonna be an Agressor 130 plug boot. Any truth in that?
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I heard there's gonna be an Agressor 130 plug boot. Any truth in that?
Yes (supposedly a 100 too) I had it on my foot side by each with a Pro 130 and the fit was not as overbearing as I expected it to be for a 95 last. It felt pretty close to the 98mm boot.

SJ
post #47 of 48
SierraJim is correct. Nordica will offer an Aggressor 150, 130, 100 and a Pro 130 and 100.

SierraJim, thanks for the info on the fit of the Aggressor. It is exactly what Jeff Bergeron said: the aggressor has a wider fit than the standard WC 150.
Could you please tell me more about the differences between the Aggressor and the Pro in terms of fit? I am very familiar with the fit of the Pro/HR.
One more question: Does the Aggressor run large by size like the HR? Did you feel that the Aggressor was shorter in length than the HR?

thanks!
post #48 of 48
Thread Starter 
Reporting in from snow starved Tahoe.........(skiing a few runs this afternoon on my way back to Sack)

I ski in several boots but primarily the HR. I had the pro 130 and the AG130 on my feet at the same time and it felt like the AG might take similar or even less work in the met head area than the pro would have. I was in a UK8 shell like I ski in the HR and length felt similar (I'm 10 1/2 on the Lange Brannock). I suspect that the difference just lies in where the widest spot is on these boots rather than how wide they are.

In the interest of science, I may try out one of the new 98mm HEADs later this year.

SJ
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