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Files or stones for setting or beveling base/edge angles?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Quotes from the "Everyday Ski Tuning Tips and Tricks..." and "SVST guide questions" threads:

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I would add, stones are not meant to shape or bevel the base or side edge. They are meant to smooth and polish the striations caused by filing and polishing from the previously used rougher grit stone. This is why you use a progression of stones. Stones don't cut & shape the edge.

I would probalby use WD-40 too if i try to set my bevels with the stones, might even put it in the frezzer so I didn't cath my ski on fire with the amount of strokes it would take to bevel a 3 degree side edge.

Filing shapes the edge, stones smooth and polish.
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
I use water/denatured alcohol with stones, and I cut a sharp, mentally stress-free edge in no time.
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Originally Posted by vail snopro View Post
Having tuned WC skis for 10 years....

Files SHAPE the edge, stones SHARPEN it....
So, which is it? Can one use a coarse diamond stone to set a base or edge angle or are files the only way to do it? Please forgive me if this is a dumb question. I'm a complete novice when it comes to ski tuning and am looking into buying equipment. I'm trying to make sure I get the right stuff and use it correctly. I clearly don't want to screw up my skis and it sounds like files are a much quicker way of doing so versus stones.
post #2 of 9
Coarse stone/diamond will do the job, but a file does it quicker and with less wear to the tool.
post #3 of 9
I don't really think its a one or the other choice. How about:

- (coarse gummi- optional for really wrecked edges)
- take down burrs and hardened spots with coarse/medium stone
- shape with second cut or finish file
- fine stone pass
post #4 of 9
well, apparently the only conclusion from the "everyday ski tuning" thread was that you just have to try stuff yourself and see what works for you.

no matter what you do, the first few times you tune are going to be difficult and take a long time. because you have to go slow.

seeing the negative feedback from some of the more orthodox members of the board. try the right way, and if you dont like it. try my way. the tools to do it the right way are well defined, the additional tools to do it my way cost $10 plus shipping. and the $10 stones do not wear out, a small swix stone however, would wear out if you tried to set a edge bevel with it.
post #5 of 9
The act of polishing, sharpening and shaping all have one thing in common, material is removed in order to shape the edge material into the sharpness or bevel we want. You can use a stone made for polishing to create a new bevel, but you will be at it for a few days....or you can get a file and do it in a few minutes. Also the more aggressive the file the quicker it will do the job, however it will also be quicker to destroy your skis should you make an error.
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
I don't really think its a one or the other choice. How about:

- (coarse gummi- optional for really wrecked edges)
- take down burrs and hardened spots with coarse/medium stone
- shape with second cut or finish file
- fine stone pass
You even said in your post: Shape with a file. That was the question do you use a file or stone to set (which means shape) the bevel.

No where in any literature video, discussion, or anyone else other then this one guy have I ever heard anyone else singing the virtues of using a stone to set your edge bevel.

Use the correct tool for the job at hand, come on!
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
You even said in your post: Shape with a file. That was the question do you use a file or stone to set (which means shape) the bevel.

No where in any literatur vidoe, discussion, or anyone else other then this one guy have i ever heard anyone else singing the virtues fo using a stone to set your edge bevel.

Use the correct tool for the job at hand, come on!
+1 Simple answer to a simple question.
post #8 of 9
Since I'm quoted in the original question, I should chime in with a clarification: Use a file to set a bevel (e.g. to change the side edge bevel from 1 degree to 3 degrees).

When I said I can "cut a sharp, mentally stress-free edge in no time" with a stone, I was echoing words in a prior post to which I was responding. I meant to refer to ordinary edge maintenance, not resetting bevels (which you'd ordinarilly only do once in the lifetime of a ski).
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
So the answer, once and for all, is that to set edge angles, whether base or side, a file is used. To sharpen that edge and to maintain the edges after skiing, use a progression of stones. Thanks to all for the responses. I'm coming up with my to buy list and will post it when it's finalized for suggestions.
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