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post #31 of 42
Originally Posted by sarahmskis View Post
(1) I think the reverse snowplow thing looks really strange, I had no idea it was so pronounced =-0 and pretty much it has to come from the 'steering' syndrome, right? (and that I'm slightly behind my skis, hence the weight on the tails, and the tip being pushed out)
Steering is correct. The "weight on tails" may be independent.

Originally Posted by sarahmksis
I shall try the gunshot drill - I had never heard of it. Interestingly, today I was trying javelin turns, and was really struggling - not so much getting the tip of one ski across the other, but getting the inside tail OFF the snow. Steering with the tails. Blah. And I thought I was close to the pure carve. oh well . what is life without a few challanges?
That's a sign you are balanced too far back over your skis. One way to try and cure this, is by doing a hopping drill to feel being centered. Just hop as you are skiing. Hop straight up, using your all your leg joints ankles, knees, hips. Hop with the legs only, work up to hopping very high off the snow. The goal is for the tips and tails to come an equal height off the snow, and they rise up at the same time. To do that, you've got to be balanced on the middle of the skis.

Originally Posted by sarahmskis
perhaps more videos will emerge in a few weeks when some progress has (hopefully) been made.

I 'd love to see a video of your results.

Originally Posted by sarahmskis
I really apprecaite the time and thought that have gone into the comments people have made, and in helping me 'get' it. I took a ski class recently to update my skiing, and honestly, the comments from an instructor who i was paying were no where near as thoughtful or helpful. It was a very frustrating experience. So thanks, I feel there is hope yet for my skiing!
The future is so bright! BTW: if you do get a lesson, ask for a private with a level III. It's more expensive, but money well spent. It sounds like you paid a lot for nearly nothing, but If you were to pay a bit more you'll get A WHOLE LOT more out of it. Much better value I think. I'd prefer 2 privates with the same instructor over 5 group lessons anyday.
post #32 of 42

Changing the turn initiation movement pattern...

I've just recently had a break through on perfecting the elusive carved turn and I have one thing to add to what has already been said. Getting higher edge angles at turn initiation is key to making that clean carved turn, and I've only found one way to do it. Rather than rising up pressuring the new outside ski as you crossover, stay compressed as you release the edges from your old turn and flow across your skis with your COM, conciously tipping your skis to the new set of edges. Angulation and countering, you clearly already understand and use. You just need to apply both right there at turn initiation along with that tipping process. If you look at the montage CTKook posted you can see this process even though the actual turn initiation is somewhat elongated because of the position of the gates. It's a totally counter-intuitive movement pattern and feels like you're leading the turn with your (new) outside hip, but it will put you high up on your new set of edges immediately, and that's a good thing. I hesitate to give credit for this movement pattern to Mr. Harb, but it was his book (book 3) that I found it in and it works very well. Hope this helps as well.
post #33 of 42
Thread Starter 
Hi Bob, and thanks for the tip, its not totally new to me (the tipping onto the new edges even though it feels weird), but I'll try to focus on it, and starting through the COM shift (goodness sometimes there is a lot to focus on!).

Meanwhile .... is it too soon for updated footage? This is the same hill/run as previous with similar conditions, I think.


I want to say more but I shall wait - do your best and worst!
post #34 of 42
Looking cleaner at the top already

There's a current thread "Video of a PMTS Student" where "Rick" on p 3 or 4 provides a list of things to consider while looking at Grandi freeskiing slalom turns (footage on the www.youcanski.com site) (those Canadian racers are very useful). It's a very good list; of those bullets, progressive edging is good to remember; I'd say for you that could go hand in hand with not quite so much angulation to start. Looking great, keep at it!
post #35 of 42
Solid MA Big E. Little too much "up" movement in the transition,yes.
post #36 of 42
Thread Starter 
I have to say, that even though it doesn't *look* all that different, it feels TOTALLY different - I can really crank on the outside ski, it slips less (sometimes not at all!), and I'm way more forward balanced, enabling me to turn my skis - I actually took my skis into a shop to get my bindings checked out (the skis are third hand - but new to me!) and it turns out that they were set two inches too far back - so that has helped a lot. With more forward flex, I'm better able to keep the uphill ski tracking on the snow a lot better - just a little pressure keeps it running on edge.

I will focus on the up/down movement - I agree that it stands out and shouldn't be needed if I'm truly flowing from edge to edge.

Which brings me to my next question - I'm skiing on a pair of approx 2001 Volants Ti Powers - shallow cut, 180 cm (I'm 5'7, approx 170 lbs) and it takes me a lot of effort to shorten the radius on my turns - I love these skis, but I can't just set them on edge and have them do more then like two -three turns down a pitch like the one in the video. How much difference to my skiing would a new pair of skis make? I sort of hate to spend money on skis b/c I suspect that a good skier should be able to ski on anything, I'm going to trash them on rocks off-piste pretty quick anyway, and its not like I care if they are one second slower down a hill.
But I see those GS videos - super smooth, upper body so downhill, skis just flowing in parallel around the body, and I think : I don't think its possible for me to get my skis to *do* that ... Am I just being a wimp and looking for excuses?
post #37 of 42
Your to hard on yourself. They say it's the Indian not the Arrow but,a new more radical side cut WILL help you alot in your quest to carve.
post #38 of 42
Thread Starter 
but i guess my question is - is it likely to be the limiting factor? As long as its my technique that's holding me back (like it obviously was a few weeks ago), then I'm not super-keen to drop 800 dollars on skis /bindings.
Like, at some point in a skiers development, they are probably going to have to buy a pair of well-fitting, expensive boots. The difference a good pair of boots makes to your skiing is so great, that its a necessity at some point, imho. Is it the same with skis, and if so, am I at a level where it would make an appreciatable difference? I know this is a very subjective question (there are probably people here on next years equipment, and others on ... shallwesay ... 'classics' ), but I would appreciate people's thoughts.

ETA: man I wish Rick had answered his questions in that other post! (maybe I just have to read further?)
post #39 of 42
VERY NICE TURNS! Ski a bit more and repost when you are happier about it -- moving a bit more forward as you go across the skis would be awesome. Especially with the pole leading the way (if that makes any sense). I think you should start the pole swing much earlier.

To much up? If you were racing the clock, then sure. But up is fun too!

sarahmskis, those are MUCH nicer turns. Many would be quite happy to ski that well.

post #40 of 42
Thread Starter 
Thanks BigE! I am very pleased with them myself not that they can't be improved but i can really tell the difference between what I was doing before and what I'm doing now, and that it seems obvious to me that this is going in the right direction. All the drills paid off (although I still have pretty terrible javelin turns) :
post #41 of 42
Originally Posted by sarahmskis View Post

ETA: man I wish Rick had answered his questions in that other post! (maybe I just have to read further?)
I think the key from his list is not trying to jump straight to a high edge angle, but instead first smoothly establishing a platform and then progressively generating more edge angle as the turn goes on. If you look at all the freeskiing videos on that site you'll see good examples of this, even where the actual edge change occurs in the air. Think of it as smoothly feeding energy into the turn versus throwing it in: with patience and smoothness you can ultimately accomodate much more energy while still maintaining good edgehold. For the rest of his questions if you watch the Grandi clip with each in mind you'll probably see the answers yourself, but I wouldn't try to tweak too many things in your own skiing right now.
post #42 of 42
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the answers - I can see what you are talking about, i do seem to set a high edge (for that pitch/speed) early. I will see if I can get the feel of easing into it a bit more. Thank you all again - skiing tomorrow so will work on it!
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