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post #1 of 33
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Tell me about it. Scary? No big deal? Oral history, please.

Click on link to see picture of Corbets

[ September 04, 2002, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: dchan ]
post #2 of 33
Not that big a deal, but it depends a lot on how much snow there is and where you enter. I think it can be as little as a 10 foot drop, and the run out is simple. Actually, it's not even that steep for too long. The only aggravating factor is the gaper quotient at the top, but screw 'em and just drop it. You can easily scrub some speed after the first drop and take it at whatever pace you like by the second turn. Like the rest of JH, it's a bit overrated, though.
post #3 of 33
How predictable. :
post #4 of 33
Everytime I'm there, the thing is closed. Next time. For the bigger scare, look at the one to the skier's right. It is called S&S Couloir. It makes Corbet's look like a pretty easy run! Jackson Hole's webpage has a pic of it in their Corbet's section.

http://www.jacksonhole.com/mountain/...s_distance.jpg Its the one on the left side of the picture, Corbet's is on the right.

A friend of mine, tells a story of standing at the top when a chick skates past him and pulls a nice floaty heli off it, skis the apron and tears down the rest of the moutain.

Jackson Hole is not overrated.
post #5 of 33
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[ September 04, 2002, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: dchan ]
post #6 of 33

I've done it. I was a guide there for a number of years and took quite a few clients in from time to time.

It's a huge rush (apologies to Philth), no matter how many times you've done it. It can range from heinous (when it hasn't snowed for days and the landing area is packed out like an iron bathtub) to incredibly good (when you're one of the first ones in after a big dump with lots of wind from the southwest).

Everybody I ever took in there thought it was at least somewhat scary (me included), but the conditions make all the difference. The best (easiest) way to hit it anymore is to pick a heavy snow day, get with a guide or instructor so you can go up the early tram before the general public, and then time it so that you go in right after the patrol opens Corbet's and before all the people from the first public tram car get there. That's how to get the best conditions.

It used to be that you could get a little speed up and launch over the packed-out landing zone, but they now have so much fencing and caution barrier stuff surrounding the entrance that you're kind of limited on how you go in.

No matter how much people pooh-pooh it, Corbet's is still one of the most recognized and famous ski runs in the world. If you ski it, you won't forget it.

post #7 of 33
when I did it last March it was a little sketchy, hadn't been a great snow year so there wasn't as much snowpack underneath- I'd say it was about 12-15'. Normally I wouldn't have hit it, given the not-so-plush landing (and it was really windy as well), but I'd gotten all pumped up for it anticipating my one big trip of the year that I pretty much had to. Since it was icy, I couldn't really edge given my speed, so I just pretty much ran it out. All in all, I pretty much agree with the previous post- except for the part about JH being overrated. But I guess that a midnight hike up and run down Glory Bowl under a full moon like I had is impossible to overrate.
post #8 of 33
Oooooh. Nice shot of S&S!

Philth, did you do that one too and was it no big deal and overrated?

I've only done it once and it was a *real* big deal for me. My pulse rate is increasing right now just thinking about it and that was 20 years ago.


While we're on that subject, Philth... if JH is overrated, which US ski area do you feel is better?
post #9 of 33
Originally posted by Bob.Peters:
While we're on that subject, Philth... if JH is overrated, which US ski area do you feel is better?
Uh-oh, I think I hear a Maggot/Bear flamefest inching its way down Broadway...
post #10 of 33
I've done it twice-once and a half maybe. Around 1979 or '80. Had a pair of Head HRP comps with salomon 444 bindings and safety straps. I'd say it was 15 feet that year. 5-10 people, locals I think, standing around the top when I went in. Soon as I hit bottom-click-click-double ejection and I slid all the way to the runout. Next time up I went right back, I was standing there looking in, and one of the guys that was there when I went in before reaches in his pocket and hands me a quarter to use to crank down the sollies. Stuck the landing and skied away.
post #11 of 33
Originally posted by milesb:
How predictable. :
Was it really? I had no idea what I'd think about Jackson before I went out there.
Never hit S+S as I was working for JH race dept. while there and never had a tram pass. That one requires a lot more commitment, though.
Funny that on the Powderboard there was some pretty broad consensus that JH isn't all that it purports to be (maybe the reaction here is what's really predictable). Both mountains at Whistler have more sustained steeps than any in-bounds stuff at JH, and I'd probably take the Tahoe areas (as a group) over JH as well.
If you like to huck, Jackson does offer more good drops than just about anywhere else, though.
But I think Whistler and most Euro areas are far and away better than JH.
post #12 of 33
I have done it several times, and it always gives me an adrenaline rush. I agree with several other posts, conditions are everything. Once, me and some friends were standing at the top, first tram of the day, and the thing looked like it had been windloaded and appeared very creamy. I dropped in first, and it was bulletproof. I was very lucky to manage to stay on my feet, slow down, and make it down the rest of the way.
post #13 of 33
Originally posted by Philth:

But I think Whistler and most Euro areas are far and away better than JH.[/QB]
Hmmm, me, I think Jackson has some choice little spots and it's backcountry seems rather underrated compared to all the in-bounds 'extreme press' that Whistler/B has been getting for the past 8 years. S&S isn't overrated - it's aprox. a 30-40 foot drop into an ANGLED slot in the cliff. This means you need to turn about 50 degrees after launch and be moving sideways on the way down so you don't hit the rock wall base at the landing. The narrow couloir runout often has some nasty cliff-wells at either side of the exit onto the open slope so killing speed is... not always an option. Like Corbert's, you only need to do it once - but for a completely different reason.

You'll get no disagreement with me about Euro tho.
post #14 of 33
Originally posted by Philth:
Both mountains at Whistler have more sustained steeps than any in-bounds stuff at JH, and I'd probably take the Tahoe areas (as a group) over JH as well...

...But I think Whistler and most Euro areas are far and away better than JH.[/QB]
Which was the reason I asked you which *US* area you thought was better.

The Whistler part I might agree with. As far as Tahoe, it's a bit apples/oranges to compare a single ski area with a bunch of them.

So, back to the overrating question... what ski area in the US do the pouter boys seem to feel *should* be rated higher than Jackson?

Obviously, I'm far from an objective bystander in this debate, but I'm genuinely interested in the pro/con arguments about which US mountain someone might feel is better from an overall challenge standpoint.

post #15 of 33
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I smell a separate TOPIC brewing...
post #16 of 33
Philth, What part of Whistler/Blackcomb are you talking about. I ski them frequently, 4 1/2 hour drive, and like both mountains a lot but don't find them any more challenging than JH. Euro hills are a different story partly because of where you can ski.
post #17 of 33
Was there (JH), didn't do it. A long drop to a fairly icy landing. What sealed the decision was the skier in front of me who exploded on landing.

The week I was there we didn't get much new snow. THe best day was the last morning where we had about 14" up top. Snow phone said 5", so my friends decided to relax until our plane. I ventured out and discovered that sometimes the snow report is wrong (no kidding).

Also met a moose and calf. At first I thought that it was neat that the mountain had placed stuffed animals out on display. Until the moose started to move. Just me, the moose, and her calf, on a cattrack, with a ski patrol trying to get her to move along (towards me). I just played statue for a bit.
post #18 of 33
Originally posted by Lucky:
Euro hills are a different story partly because of where you can ski.
Having never been to ski in the US I am just wondering what the differences are.
On topic: I would never do that drop - haven't got the balls and my back would so not survive if I fell over badly, the choice between one drop in and never walking again doesn't really take too much time to work out to me!!
post #19 of 33
I'm not much of a jumper but I set that as a goal for my 40th birthday. On my birthday it was soft with about a 10-15ft drop. Quite a rush. A few days later it looked the same but was hard and I took a nasty face first slide.
I'll probably not repeat for my 60th in April.

[ September 05, 2002, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #20 of 33
Originally posted by Mateo:
From the pic it looks nice.
I wouldn't straightline it, though, unless, no other choice is left, of course.
A bunch of big stupid questions:
Is it lift served?
Or a guy must hike there?
If so, for how long?
How steep the hike is?

It is most definitely lift-served. The Jackson Hole aerial tram goes *right* by it. The entrance to Corbet's is about two hundred yards downhill from the top of the tram (and the S&S entrance is about a hundred yards beyond that).

No hike required. Except, perhaps, a hike back up to collect your gear if you explode on the landing and leave skis, etc above you as you cartwheel down [img]tongue.gif[/img]

post #21 of 33
Mateo (aka Matteo, aka M@tteo aka Nobody) writing here
Hehe, Bob, explosions are always fun! If one know how to avoid heavy damages (and has tons of luck)
So if it's lift served, I think I'd like a go at it.
If you can find a way to bring it here in Euroland, that is

Seriously speaking, I'd like to cross the pond and ski around the States...maybe in a few years
(if I'm still able to ski).
post #22 of 33
Loke, what I meant was in Europe you can ski just about anywhere you can get to. Things like crevasses and cliffs to play with. In the US those areas are usually permanently closed or very well marked.
post #23 of 33
Well, it looks like some assumptions were made that I didn't intend (although I have to admit to foreseeing a few of them).
I never said that JH sucks--it's a fun mountain, particularly when there's good snow (which I was fortunate enough to enjoy for most of the time I was there). And like I said, it certainly equals any other N. American mountain (that I've seen) for good drops.
I also can't really comment on the backcountry as I didn't sample too much of it while I was there and stability was a big issue almost until I left (I had to leave before I intended due to injury).
But, I would still call it overrated for the simple fact that it is often spoken of as a place without equal--in fact, that's essentially what the sign at the bottom (the caution about 'this mountain is unlike any other you've ever skied') says. There are comparable, if not better, mountains elsewhere (leaving Europe aside).
So in my first post I never said that there were better areas in the U.S.--I said JH was overrated and was asked (in response?) what U.S. place was better.
As far as what the maggots have to say, I can't speak for them and haven't searched for the old thread, but I believe Snowbird, Alta, Baker, Crystal, Squaw, and Kirkwood were on the short list of mountains that potentially out-Jackson Jackson (I'm excluding Canada, AK, and Hawaii ).
As far as terrain at Whistler goes, without being too specific, I can recommend some of the shots off Chainsaw Ridge, the Spanky's material, Fraggle Rock for a more secluded Hobacks-like experience, DOA if you're brave (or stupid), Trevor's if you're really brave (and like to hike), etc.
And it seems like someone thought I said something about S+S--I only said I never touched it, and it looks pretty scary to me.

edit: to clarify, I meant to say that Whistler sucks. It's too crowded, it rains all the time, the snow is too heavy, Canadians don't like Americans and don't speak English, and anyone who's cool goes to JH anyway.

[ September 05, 2002, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Philth ]
post #24 of 33

Great post, your brought up a point that I never thought about. People do "name drop" Jackson Hole. I remember when in college somebody told me I wasn't a real skier until I have skied at Jackson. Uhh, ok, doesn't enjoying skiing make somebody a skier? Anyway I see your point.

Jackson is a moutain that I truly love. But as Bob said, to judge a mountain that one doesn't have intimate knowledge of is kind of ignorant. (sorry Bob if I appear to be putting words in your mouth).

Is it winter yet?
post #25 of 33
From the pic it looks nice.
I wouldn't straightline it, though, unless, no other choice is left, of course.
A bunch of big stupid questions:
Is it lift served?
Or a guy must hike there?
If so, for how long?
How steep the hike is?
post #26 of 33
Philth, Crystal is my home mt. and I love it, but even though some areas in the backcountry can be challenging (brain damage, pinball etc.) I would have to give the edge to JH. Baker, what were you smoking when you were there? Somewhat boring and full of knuckle draggers. They do get a lot of snow though.
post #27 of 33
What's nice about Jackson is, per capita, there are very few gapers. Most of them are lollygagging around the entrance to Corbett's.

People who drool over Corbett's are just looking to notch the belt. It's a great shot, but its main attraction is the limelight from the Tram.

I went to Whistler after a week of epic heliskiing in the Monashees. Whistler looked like Epcot.
post #28 of 33
The village, I mean. Manufactured ambience ala Disney.
post #29 of 33
We were in JH for a week at the end of Feb '02. Despite getting 18-24 inches during the week. Corbets was closed the whole time we were there. I think they were probably saving Corbets for the Steep and Deep camp that was starting the week after we were there. I don't know if I would've jumped in, but I certainly would've done my share of gaping. I'm no expert skier and don't know any mountain really well, but I loved JH and found it to be the most challenging place I've been to so far. This doesn't really mean too much since I'm probably a Level 8 skier who doesn't huck but will survive just about every else. I've been to Alta, Snowbird, Squaw, Whistler. For a Level 8, though all these places are really fun and challenging.
post #30 of 33
nolo, JH has nothing but 'gapers' on the mountain, the good skiers are in the backcountry where the powder is.
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