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Personally, my favorite town in Colorado is Crested Butte, hands down. RE is still reasonable, the views can't be beat, the ski resort is right there, and you've got a whole world of BC skiing out your backdoor. Not to mention hundreds of miles of hiking and mtn biking trails. If I can ever figure out how to move there and work a full time job, I'm there in a heartbeat.
Not sure what you consider reasonable but the RE in CB has tripled or more in the last 3-4 years. I was there 4 years ago and could have bought a house (still kicking self) for $250,000-300,000 that was near $1 million when we returned last year. You could do OK in Gunnison but CB is close to out of reach. You could probably get one of the new townhouses outside of town a bit cheaper than that though.
post #62 of 179
Check out Carson City Nevada. It's 30-40 minutes from Tahoe skiing, you can get a nice house for $250K and no state income tax.
post #63 of 179
How about Driggs? Targhee is right there and JH a real fun but short drive away. Poke around the Idaho side of the Tetons and you'll find something.

Have you thought about Europe? You could get a palace in Slovenia or Bulgaria with skiing like the BC interior for less than the cost of a trailer home timeshare on the Jersey shore.
post #64 of 179

Rat Race

Phil. Season pass two ski areas $249.00
Golf entire season Mar=Oct $404 (for 2 wife and I)
5 ski areas within 2 hr or less drive
Buy in Kellogg, Osburn, Smelterville, Cataldo area ski area within 15 min and 30 min
Coke in a machine .50 cents
Breakfast oout for 2 average 12-15 dollars

On the western side of the Continental Divide and weather is warm compared to Montana etc. on the Eastern side. Little rain compared to Seattle or West. Oregon. Average high in summer 92 degrees, dry humidity, almost no crime and developing area especially in Couer d alene vicinity. Fishing excellent, lots of golf courses, good skiing (see pnw CRAWL
trip reportfor pictures)
post #65 of 179

More Canadian Spots

Alberta currently is in the throes of a labour shortage, so if you are looking for sponsorship this might be the place. We're a little farther in Calgary than your specifications for commute time to the hills, but there are towns like Cochrane that would put you within an hour of Sunshine, and still be accessible to the city. Once you get your landed immigrant's status you can then move to a lower cost area.

Some other areas you might want to look at in BC: Kamloops (close to Sun Peaks), Kelowna (Big White, Silver Star, Apex), Revelstoke (about to have a major ski development push forward), and the Comox Valley on Vancouver Island (Mt. Washington). All of these are fairly small cities/large towns located several hours from major urban centres.

If you want to get in on the ground floor of resort expansion, there are three that are about to go through major growth or initial development: Red Mtn., Revelstoke, and Jumbo (although this might be delayed a couple of years on environmental grounds).
post #66 of 179
Whatever you decide Phil, don't do what I did. Though the world class skiing is very close-by...
post #67 of 179
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Not sure what you consider reasonable but the RE in CB has tripled or more in the last 3-4 years. I was there 4 years ago and could have bought a house (still kicking self) for $250,000-300,000 that was near $1 million when we returned last year. You could do OK in Gunnison but CB is close to out of reach. You could probably get one of the new townhouses outside of town a bit cheaper than that though.
You can get a pretty new (2-4 yrs old) two bedroom condo, with a garage, inbetween town and the ski resort for $325,000. You can get a decent sized house in CB South for around $300-400k as well. Granted, if you want to live "in town", then you'll pay a ton- but if you can live 5 miles outside of town, then its not bad at all... considering what it'll be like in 5 yrs.
post #68 of 179
Phil-

I lived ten years in Evergreen, ten years in Bend. Evergreen has more sun, but also has chinook winds. If you don't try to ski weekends Evergreen is pretty good, otherwise you'll be in Denver stop and go all the way to the lift.

Bend is looking a bit rat racey to some of us but it is still a great little town. They sell high end cars houses skis etc like there is no tomorrow. The skiing on Bachelor is pretty good, and the season is long. With modern skis I consider it as offering more good powder days than Utah. The drive to the mountain is easy and the snow rarely gets to town. The real estate is expensive, but a huge inventory glut exists and someone who could make some no contingency low ball offers this fall should do well.

I'd still be there if it weren't for some political convictions. I may go back if the Canadians don't take me.
post #69 of 179
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn View Post
You can get a pretty new (2-4 yrs old) two bedroom condo, with a garage, inbetween town and the ski resort for $325,000. You can get a decent sized house in CB South for around $300-400k as well. Granted, if you want to live "in town", then you'll pay a ton- but if you can live 5 miles outside of town, then its not bad at all... considering what it'll be like in 5 yrs.
True. If you are going to live 5 miles out of town I say you might as well go to Gunnison and get a big 4 bedroom for under $200k.
post #70 of 179
Phil, despite what Ferniefreeheels said about likelihood of getting a work visa for Canada, emigrating to Canada is not at all easy or quick for USA-ians. Lisa and I seriously looked into it back in late 2003/early 2004, until we came up with the "move to Colorado" plan instead. It's understandable that someone already a Canadian citizen might not know all the steps involved in moving there. You can't just say "my job is in demand" and decide to move.

Immigration Canada's "Coming to Canada" website gives you lots of information and lets you score yourself to determine whether or not you will be accepted. On a national level, the need for workers in a specific profession is not considered at all (at least not officially). Instead, it's based on scores using years of education, bilingualism in English and French, age (after age 50 you lose points each year). This is the "Skilled Worker Class" immigration procedure, but it is not based on skills in a particular profession. You do need to have at least one year's work experience in a profession on their long list of occupations, but they don't value one profession over another in terms of points you earn.

You need 67 points or higher to be qualified to apply for Canadian Immigration under this process. You can score yourself here. There's some weirdness in some of the scoring such as for education. For example, if you have 16 years of formal schooling (12 years Grade 1-12) plus a 4-year college bachelors degree, you only can get credit at the 14-years level (12 years plus at least a 2-year degree). But if they years post-highschool were in a trade school, they count for more. You have to have two separate bachelors degrees to get 15 years of education credit. Also, if applying with a spouse, your language skills are rated but not your spouse's. In my case, we scored higher with Lisamarie as the applicant and me as the spouse, because my speaking no French didn't work against me as the spouse, and her basic but non-fluent French did give her a few extra points. There was zero difference in the values of our professions despite the very different pay scales; it was just "is your occupation on the list" and "how many years". A Physician Specialist (occupation code 3111) and a Hairstylist (code 6271) are weighed equally given the same number of work experience years (4 years being the highest that counts).

Certain provinces might have sponsored immigration for particular professions. But in that case you are obligated to spend X number of years living in that province. Also usually requires a pre-arranged job offer. Probably not a lot of skiing in Manitoba.

At the time I was applying, it was about a 2-year process before getting approval. They also were talking about raising the 67-point minimum back up to 74 or higher. You get in based on what the requirement is when Immigration Canada finally decides on your visa a year or two after starting the process, not on what the point requirement was when you started it.

There's also a Business Immigration policy if you're going to invest > $400,000 in a new or existing Canadian business.

Then there's working as a Business Professional in Canada under NAFTA. This has a limited number of accepted professions, and it only allows you to get a job there and live there, but not to become a Canadian Resident in the "landed immigrant" sense which gets you rights such as healthcare. I could apply for a job as a Systems Analyst in Vancouver or Toronto if I wanted, and if hired I could move there for the duration of the job. But I wouldn't have any Canadian benefits. Not what you want if you're really relocating.

I'd vote Whitefish. Cool town, nice mountain, and Fernie's an easy day-trip away.
post #71 of 179
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And Gunnison?
Yikes! We live between Denver and Colorado Springs now ... and we considered Gunnison for a LOT of reasons. Then we noticed they have some of the most frigid winter temps and hottest summer temps. If it were not for those extremes, we'd be there now....

Crested Butte is being inflated like crazy. Lots of "Hollyweirdos" have bought-up many ranchettes. Prices are still rising.

- KK
post #72 of 179
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Phil, despite what Ferniefreeheels said about likelihood of getting a work visa for Canada, emigrating to Canada is not at all easy or quick for USA-ians. Lisa and I seriously looked into it back in late 2003/early 2004, until we came up with the "move to Colorado" plan instead. It's understandable that someone already a Canadian citizen might not know all the steps involved in moving there. You can't just say "my job is in demand" and decide to move.
This is true, mostly.

If you want to move to Canada relatively easily and quickly, an actual job offer trumps almost everything. The employer must be willing and able to prove that they tried to hire a Canadian and failed. Human Resources and Social Development Canada (HRSDC) must review the offer and agree to grant the temporary status. If things are moving fast, you must enter the country at an entry point that also has an immigration office, and you must have the offer and associated HRSDC approval (and the related file numbers) in your hand. The work visa will be issued at the border. Electronic file transfer and fax machines allowed me to enter Canada for good about two months after receiving the job offer.

The first work visa is good for six months. During this time, you assemble your "stuff" for your permanent residence application. At three or four months, you will also apply for an extension to the work visa. The work visa, the extension, and applying for permanent residence all cost money. While in Canada on the work visa, you do have a Social Insurance Number (but it's temporary) and health care (but it's temporary). Everything expires the day your work visa expires.

The written documentation says that you have to be able to go back where you came from, and does not mention applying for permanent status from within the country. I maintain a mailing address in the US, and I carried a letter from my US employer offering to re-hire me, should I wish to return. Although the documentation appears to discourage applying for permanent status from within Canada, it is commonly done, and, in fact, none of Canada Immigration's toll-free numbers work from outside the country.

Anyway, if you're not in a profession likely to attract such an offer, this is all moot. Going through the avenues documented on the immigration web sites is not easy and takes time. (We might note, however, that it's easier than trying to immigrate to the US!)
post #73 of 179
MarkXS and JHCooley, this is great info. Also, Mark, your recent post on frequent flyer programs was equally informative and detailed.
post #74 of 179
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Japan. World's second largest economy, population in massive decline and is considering (highly) about importing 100's of 1000's of immigrants to take up the slack. tech heads, healthcare and education personnel are highly needed. around 600 ski resorts on 3 islands. The world's most efficient public transportation network accesses ALL of them. Japanese not required but will develop on it's own. Oh wait, you wanted to escape the rat-race. nevermind. (if my ski-bum self can handle it, anyone can. Outside tokyo is very 'country')

think major corporations like sony, toyota, panasonic needing english speaking people to rewrite translations, and negotiate with clients over seas. also, if you have a degree, you're in via any major U.S city's recruiting office and will be earning 30-40K/year before you even arrive.

japan has already grown, but the population is going kaput. job security= lock-down secure. that full-benefits-for-life thing that is fading in the states is standard too.

Most ski a few days a week. plus, that 4 years of education you have to pay for could result in a multi-cultural sibling who understands the ever-so-developing global market more than his/her monolingual counterparts growing up in a (becoming) service-oriented economy. (no, I did not say that the japanese educational system is better than america's.)

Ok, maybe this isn't jumping off the page at you, but I thought I would post it for those who crave job-security and world-class pow. Japan is not all neon. and I need more ripping partners to share my gondolas with. I'll bet there's less than a 1000 powder riders on all of Japan's 600 resorts. (not including the aussie tourists up north of course.)

How does Fukuoka rate as a location for access to ski areas ? Have had opps to go there from time to time. Any good links to websites in English with info on the ski areas ?
post #75 of 179
Yeah Phil, Move to Japan. You could work at the Subaru World Headquaters Mother ship.
Now do Japanese woman like us big hairy American men?
post #76 of 179
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Colorado Springs? What about there? Real Estate looks reasonable. How far to Loveland and serious skiing?

How conservative are you?
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I am a liberal conservative.

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post #78 of 179
Phil ..... up at "The Loaf" .... this has me pissin mah pants.

"Got a wicked good deal on ah Massey he-yah! John says he gonna bring in the disc and furrow .... oh ... bout a week or two.

"Now, that Allis Chalmers out theaaah .. it's a good tractah, but it's on consignment and he wants a bit tooo much .... least in my book he does .."

post #79 of 179
Wow. I can't read, speak or comprehend but a few words in French and don't have a job offer in Canada. Despite that I scored 66 on the immigration test. The passing score is 67 so it wouldn't take much to get to that level. I didn't expect to come close just taking it for fun and out of the blue like that. I would imagine if you are bilingual it would be a piece of cake.
post #80 of 179
Another vote for Steamboat Springs, have not met a lot of unhappy people there. Great skiing, fishing, hiking, biking, snowmobiling and just about any other activity that ends with ing, great restaurants w/o Vail/Aspen pricing. Lots of sunshine when not snowing and great summers. Would recommend a couple of weeks in the Boat to check it out if you haven't been. Good pricing on out of town housing still available also and the Intrawest deal can only be good news for the needed base area and on-mountain improvements which have already started and are set to continue over the next few years (even before the sale of the ski area). Will likely be a good investment also as prices have steadily increased but w/o the spikes seen in some of the other areas.
post #81 of 179
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Colorado Springs? What about there? Real Estate looks reasonable. How far to Loveland and serious skiing?
There are no open ski areas within 100 miles of Colorado Springs (at least from the center of town). From my house in the south end it's 120 to 130 miles to Loveland, Copper, Monarch, A-Basin or Keystone, and 108 to Breckenridge (give or take a few feet ).

If I were picking a place without regard to job availability, I'd go for Salida. It's about 25 miles from Monarch, and others (Ski Cooper, Crested Butte, Breck, Vail) are within an hour or two, plus it's in a great spot nestled in the mountains by a river, and has a surprisingly warm climate for its location. And it's a real town, not a resort community full of snooty rich people and empty vacation homes.
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^^^ Not yet.
post #83 of 179
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I am a liberal conservative.
If you can even write the word Liberal I do not think you would like it much

We looked at property in Steamboat. It was a long while back so not up to date on cost. At the time it was significantly less than Summit County. I hear that it is rising fast. Might be good timing.
post #84 of 179
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There are no open ski areas within 100 miles of Colorado Springs ...
Correct. If you want skiing to be less than 2 hours away ... The Springs ain't "it".

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If I were picking a place without regard to job availability, I'd go for Salida. It's about 25 miles from Monarch, and others (Ski Cooper, Crested Butte, Breck, Vail) are within an hour or two, plus it's in a great spot nestled in the mountains by a river, and has a surprisingly warm climate for its location. And it's a real town, not a resort community full of snooty rich people and empty vacation homes.
We looked at Salida for many of the above reasons. We crossed it off our list because (trying to be gentle, here) it's kinda "dirtball" as a town. A small, "Hicksville" place.

But ... as Harry intimates (above) ... if you are into "speculating" a bit, I'd anticipate Salida will grow quite a bit as a "destination" or "retirement" community ... in the next 20 years. (You'd be "getting in on the ground floor" if you bought land there now, IMO....)

Resources:

City Data is an interesting way to research towns' from a plethora of economic/climate/crime measures.

Find Your Spot is a site which you can answer several survey questions ... and it will produce 10 places for you. (I'm not sure how much SPAM you'll get for doing this, though....)

I'm sure there are other "Locator" devices on the Net....

- KK
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I want (good) skiing w/in an hour.

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I want (good) skiing w/in an hour.
Then Vt it is!
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Find Your Spot is a site which you can answer several survey questions ... and it will produce 10 places for you. (I'm not sure how much SPAM you'll get for doing this, though....)
I went through this quiz quickly just now, and the top choice it recommended for me was Grand Junction. Salida was #12 on my list, apparently marked down because it's already getting more expensive ($295K average home price). Interestingly, Cedar City, UT was #2 (I guess it's because I showed a preference for outdoor activities; it's near Brian Head ski area, right?). The other Colorado towns it recommended in my top 20 were Leadville, Divide, and Estes Park. The results look pretty accurate from what I've heard about the places on my list.
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Then Vt it is!
Would it be too weird if we moved (back) in with Lola's parents? :

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post #89 of 179

Re-NO!

I was born and raised in Reno and still own property there. My family has been there since 1904, when my great grandfather bought a little strip of downtown land that he eventually sold to Bill Harrah for a little casino thing-a-ma-bob. It was a fantastic place to grow up, and of course, the skiing was fantastic. I didn't miss a day when I was in high school and college at UNR. Used to ride my little 50cc Honda scooter up the Mt Rose Highway to ski after classes. It sometimes didn't make it!

The Reno I loved, however, is gone. Our history there is deep, so I think I'm qualified to say that the city grew way too fast for its own good. If you like strip malls, seemingly unbridled growth, increasingly provincial thinking and absolutely no character, then Reno is your place. It's too bad, really, because Reno used to be very progressive and had a unique charm. Now, it's essentially a town with no identity.
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Would it be too weird if we moved (back) in with Lola's parents? :

IMHO ,YEP it would B mondo wierd: , u like your privacy ? u wanna re-establish ground rules ? u wanna b the guy who lives with his in laws after several yrs of independence ? u wanna deal with all that comes with living under THEIR roof? I don't know u or your in laws BUT things will CHANGE once your in THEIR TURF

HEY live near---- not with ------- it makes 4 Happier Campers
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