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post #151 of 179
Well -- not having read most of this thread. I thought I'd just try to elicit a few "good lucks"

Just submitted my resume for a dream job in Park City... if I get the interview, any of the Wasatch crew want to help me get some turns in while I'm out there? Wost case scenario -- no one calls me. 2nd Worst Case Scenario, I end up in Park City for an interview and have to do some skiing...

[I like the rat race... I just wish it was somewhere beautiful -- with steeps]
post #152 of 179
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Just submitted my resume for a dream job in Park City... if I get the interview, any of the Wasatch crew want to help me get some turns in while I'm out there? Wost case scenario -- no one calls me. 2nd Worst Case Scenario, I end up in Park City for an interview and have to do some skiing...
Good for you! That is actually a big step right there. Hope it works out!
post #153 of 179
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How long will it take to get to Loveland and Keystone if I will leave Saturday at 9AM from Boulder?
With no traffic and good weather, Golden to Loveland is about 40 minutes. At 9am on a Saturday, it's generally well over an hour due to the 10 mph traffic jam from Evergreen to the US 40 turnoff (9am is a little late to avoid the jam, which starts building before 8am during peak season). Boulder to Golden is probably 20 minutes, I don't drive that part. Taking US 6 from Golden to I-70 cuts off about a third of the I-70 crawl on bad days, but you still have to crawl on the way back. Weekdays there's generally no traffic slowdown on I-70 at all.

Evergreen looks like a nice place to live, but it's on the wrong side of the weekend traffic jam. You might as well live in Denver if you're just worried about avoiding ski traffic; the drive to Evergreen is the easy part (which is what you want for your work commute, I guess, so maybe it is the place to look).
post #154 of 179
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Japan. World's second largest economy, population in massive decline and is considering (highly) about importing 100's of 1000's of immigrants to take up the slack. tech heads, healthcare and education personnel are highly needed. around 600 ski resorts on 3 islands. The world's most efficient public transportation network accesses ALL of them. Japanese not required but will develop on it's own. Oh wait, you wanted to escape the rat-race. nevermind. (if my ski-bum self can handle it, anyone can. Outside tokyo is very 'country')

think major corporations like sony, toyota, panasonic needing english speaking people to rewrite translations, and negotiate with clients over seas. also, if you have a degree, you're in via any major U.S city's recruiting office and will be earning 30-40K/year before you even arrive.

japan has already grown, but the population is going kaput. job security= lock-down secure. that full-benefits-for-life thing that is fading in the states is standard too.

Most ski a few days a week. plus, that 4 years of education you have to pay for could result in a multi-cultural sibling who understands the ever-so-developing global market more than his/her monolingual counterparts growing up in a (becoming) service-oriented economy. (no, I did not say that the japanese educational system is better than america's.)

Ok, maybe this isn't jumping off the page at you, but I thought I would post it for those who crave job-security and world-class pow. Japan is not all neon. and I need more ripping partners to share my gondolas with. I'll bet there's less than a 1000 powder riders on all of Japan's 600 resorts. (not including the aussie tourists up north of course.)
I like Japan, but I'd offer these in the downside category:
  • Racism
  • Sexism
  • Tough place to be a vegetarian (if that's a concern)
  • Whale/dolphin killing (not that Canada is any better, with its seal-clubbing still going on)
post #155 of 179
of course there is racism in japan. There is racism in every country. And when people leave America (assuming they're white) they probably get their first glimpse into that reality. In Chile those who disliked blonde hair spat at me... five times. In Japan, those ethnocentric individuals just ignore me. It's quite the harmless expression of racism, imo. Heck, I've never even been sworn at.

I'm sure we could all start listing downsides to every option here. However, listing downsides that exist everywhere seem quite the stretch. I think a bigger downside may be the fact that everybody speaks japanese. That is usually a lot more difficult to deal with than a 60 year old japanese man who won't make eye contact.
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kinda reminds me of Aspen Extreme:

"Know where we can find a place, ya know, 2/3 bedrooms, view..."

"...yeah, Kansas"


I think that by now Phil has escaped the rat's race, good for him! I haven't read the whole thread, but I'll set down to it (I'll bookmark it) during the empty summer times, maybe I'll get some idea out of it.

As for the quote...I remember the girl saying "Missouri" (which, to my ear sounded much like "misery",

it too me some "sessions" (10-15...) to make the right connection between what she said and the state...

post #157 of 179

This started back in 07 

  So has he made the Dream real?  Or is he still stuck in some Urban pile of dog doo still dreaming ?

post #158 of 179

He was smiling when I saw him skiing in PA, not quite paradise.  He was definately smiling in the Steamboat PowderCats photos.  Call me crazy, but there is something even more magical about skiing new places, or places you haven't been recently.  Even if I lived in the heart of Summit County I would enjoy a trip to some place not so epic, but different often.

post #159 of 179

He was smiling when I saw him in Montana.

 

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He was smiling when I saw him in Montana.

 


But was he smiling more knee deep in powder or with a mouthful of blackened ribeye?
 

 

post #161 of 179

Pear cobbler could have had something to do with it.  YUM! 

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But was he smiling more knee deep in powder or with a mouthful of blackened ribeye?
 

 

 

post #162 of 179

Wow, holy dredge thread!

In terms of Montana I don't think that Phil liked Bozeman as a place to settle down.

post #163 of 179
Thread Starter 

 

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This started back in 07 

  So has he made the Dream real?  Or is he still stuck in some Urban pile of dog doo still dreaming ?


Still here. 

 

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But was he smiling more knee deep in powder or with a mouthful of blackened ribeye?
 

 


The Ribeye was very good..thrice. 

 

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Wow, holy dredge thread!

In terms of Montana I don't think that Phil liked Bozeman as a place to settle down.


A lot has to do where Lola finds a Non-Profit that suites her. Bozeman is not out, but not on the current radar either. We are very open, looking to mountain regions. 

post #164 of 179

Salida, CO.  Nice laid back small town with a surprising amount of culture.  Monarch is 20 minutes away and CB a little over an hour and a half.  Great biking (both road and world class mountain) and fishing in the summer. 

post #165 of 179

What about Sochi?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_nyJ4-dA9k&search=ski%20skiing%20freeride%20alpes

 

 


Edited by WILDCAT - 4/14/2009 at 02:24 pm GMT
post #166 of 179

OK, I'll chime in a little late.

 

Vernon, BC.  Just north of Kelowna, a nice small town within 20 minutes of Silver Star which is a gem of a ski area, especially on the back side.  It has serious steeps.

 

Other areas that are fairly close are Big White and Sun Peaks and you're within striking distance of Revelstoke.

 

The weather is really nice with lots of sun, the local area is full of lakes for boating and fishing, and several wineries are near.  It's a beautiful area.  Check it out.

post #167 of 179

Still in the rat race? Whats on the short list for the grand escape plan?

post #168 of 179
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OK, I'll chime in a little late.

 

Vernon, BC.  Just north of Kelowna, a nice small town within 20 minutes of Silver Star which is a gem of a ski area, especially on the back side.  It has serious steeps.

 

Other areas that are fairly close are Big White and Sun Peaks and you're within striking distance of Revelstoke.

 

The weather is really nice with lots of sun, the local area is full of lakes for boating and fishing, and several wineries are near.  It's a beautiful area.  Check it out.


Canada is smarter than the US..They don't just let anyone in. 

 

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Still in the rat race? Whats on the short list for the grand escape plan?

Mountains. 

post #169 of 179

I agree, plus one hell of a good mountain to ski. 

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First off, Denver to Loveland is less than an hour w/o traffic (that's a big assumption though! I live 15 min north of Denver and can make it to Loveland in an hour on good days). What about Evergreen, 15 miles west of Denver? Small community, prices are "reasonable", and its a lot closer to the resorts.

Personally, my favorite town in Colorado is Crested Butte, hands down. RE is still reasonable, the views can't be beat, the ski resort is right there, and you've got a whole world of BC skiing out your backdoor. Not to mention hundreds of miles of hiking and mtn biking trails. If I can ever figure out how to move there and work a full time job, I'm there in a heartbeat.



 

post #170 of 179

Hi Phil - Just happened on your life crisis thread, don't know sh*t about the ski industry but a tiny bit about NGO's, didn't read the whole thread to see what your wife specializes in, would suggest that job realistically, and if you really mean inside of an hour away, you'd want to be looking at only about four places: SLC area, Santa Fe area, Tahoe area, Burlington, VT area. A lot of the cool little places folks have mentioned here are not exactly hotbeds of NGO action. Or great spots for yet another ski store manager. Greater SLC region has a bit of everything, Santa Fe has a bunch of stuff related to American Indians and to education of minorities, including the deaf, Tahoe has several things related to ecological/green/sustainable development/watershed, Burlington has a fair amount of poverty and rural education stuff. All the other job realistic candidates (Seattle, Boulder, etc.) don't meet your distance criterion. Then there's the question of whether you'd want to chill out in any of those places. Santa Fe, especially to the immediate north of town, would be my clear winner in that regard. 

post #171 of 179

It's funny reading the old housing info about Evergreen, reminded me of someone saying that a few years ago, property here was all above 300k. Just this week a very long term resident told me the town is dying, which it is.

post #172 of 179

The problem with trying to escape the rat race is that the rats are everywhere but at least you can step out of the race. New Hampshire is a place with mountains, lakes, forest and skiing. Quite a few people come here to escape the complexities of life wherever they had been living and seem to bring their problems along with them. Posibly their error in thinking they could escape their problems here was in failing to recognize they may have been some of the rats. Not that I am suggesting you are but just a caveat inasmuch as your new location will undoubtedly present a host of new issues  to contend with. You might want to look at New Hampshire and/or Vermont.

post #173 of 179

Hi Phil,

 

If you can figure out a job that will let you telecommute, it might make the the move somewhat less problematic.  The inexpensive, but close to skiing is going to be the tough one unless you are willing to go a bit farther out...

 

Steamboat: Intrawest has been good for the mountain, but real estate prices have escalated accordingly.  It is no longer particularly affordable (at least in the town of).  Farther out might be a different story, but Colorado is generally very expensive.  Somebody mentioned Crested Butte--well, that is getting pretty steep real-estate-wise.  If that is true for you, you might consider Gunnison (which is where the people that are priced out of CB are buying).  Its around 45 minutes away, I think.

 

Ogden may well be a good call.  We have friends that live there & like it.  Also, Park City. 

 

Probably not Whitefish, but maybe Kallispell.  Somebody mentioned Annaconda which is close to Discovery Basin.  Libby has Turner Mt.  Personally, I'd look into Missoula.  Nice town, great skiing (if you can survive the road :)).  Bozeman?  Also, check out Red Lodge.  Jobs might be the problem in Montana.

 

Idaho has Sandpoint which is a great town, but unfortunately, I think it may have crossed the inexpensive threshold a while ago.  Kellog (Silver Mt) is getting there, but it is worth a look.  There is always Driggs.  Donelly would have been great, but Tammarack is unfortunately DOA.  One area that has always intrigued me is Pomerelle.  Twin Falls is the closest civilization, but there are small towns that are closer.  Again, jobs may be the problem.

 

New Mexico--check out Santa Fe.  I know nothing of the real estate market, but I do know its a great place to live.

 

Washington has great skiing.  Enumclaw gets you close to Crystal Mt (~45 minutes) and Crystal Ranch is probably around 20 (its a neighborhood, not a town).  Wenatchee has great skiing at Mission Ridge and its East of the crest so you get lots of sun year round.  Bellingham is a nice town and you can ski Baker (~45 minutes).  There are also a couple of small areas like 49 Degrees North, Bluewood, and Chewelah that will involve small town, rural living.

 

Oregon has Bend (I think prices are back within the realm of reasonability now).

 

California: Tahoe is probably out, but maybe something somewhat close to Kirkwood?  Also, while you probably can't live at Mammoth Mountain, it may be possible to find something in the area (just guessing--I have no idea what prices are doing there).

 

If jobs are going to be the problem, there are some bigger towns that might work.  Besides Ogden, check out Seattle, Portland, Reno, Spokane, and Boisie.  With all of them, you can live outside the town, but pretty close to skiing.  In the Seattle area, consider Snoqualmie (town of) and North Bend. 

 

Canada.  If you can move there, I'd look BC interior.  Rossland or Nelson would probably be my first two choices.  Fernie tried to go big time and while the mountain definitely isn't, I thnk the prices are.  Kimberly, Inverness, Revelstoke would be the other options, but not sure what real estate is doing.  Also, the Canadian Okanagan has some nice skiing (the town would be Kelowna).  The other town to check out would be Kamloops which is close to Sun Peaks.

 

Big city-wise, Vancouver actually has lots of skiing close in.  You can ride the city bus to Grouse and Cypress & Mt. Seymour are close by.  And of course Whistler/Blackcomb is 1.5 hours away.

 

Good luck in your search.  I hope you find a way to make it work!


Edited by geoffda - 4/15/2009 at 02:15 pm GMT


Edited by geoffda - 4/15/2009 at 02:27 pm GMT
post #174 of 179
Thread Starter 

LOL, all good options. All depends on where Lola finds a job. She is only looking at areas that have skiing relatively close.  

post #175 of 179

Can you tell I've been down this road  before ?  My wife and I went through this a few years ago, so I'm pretty familiar with where all of the skiing is out West.  BTW, I just edited my list since I forgot to include Santa Fe, NM.  You should check that out too.  Anyway, like I said, I hope you do it.  We have been outrageously happy since we moved to Dillon.

post #176 of 179

Is Boulder out? They've got to have NGO's in that Republic...

post #177 of 179

 

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...New Mexico--check out Santa Fe.  I know nothing of the real estate market, but I do know its a great place to live....

 

Santa Fe median home price >$300k.  

 

post #178 of 179

 

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Santa Fe median home price >$300k.  

 


For sure, but check out Espanola, Nambe, Chimayo. Man said he wanted to get away; plenty of more reasonable real estate 20-30 miles north, closer to Taos and Angelfire but still within commute of downtown plaza. (And for the record, 300K is dirt cheap  compared to many places near a major resort.)

post #179 of 179

I did a reconnaissances  trip to the Santa Fe area a couple of months ago.  When talking to some of the Locals they called New Mexico the Land of Entrapment. Once there you never want to get out.

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