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Recommend a GS Racing type ski?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Me:
5'9" / 150 lbs.
Former ranked USSA/FIS jr racer, NCAA Div 1 racer, and USSCA Level 1 coach.
Ski 50+ days/year.
Terrain: pretty much everything from ripping icy groomers to deep pow and backcountry conditions... no park skiing, but i like dropping up to 15 foot cliffs.
ski level - not sure about the ranking system, but i pretty much charge every where and all terrain... and supposedly have a knack of making it look easy

so.... given that we are having a low snow year in Tahoe and that my quiver of skis are all big mountain freeride type of skis (180 Explosivs, 183 Scott Mission, 175 Sumo, 184 B-Squads [for sale], 177 Mantra [for AT skiing only]) and 1 pair of older, tired 182 5 Star Supersport that i typically use for coaching 9-11 y/o rippers... i am looking for a GS racing type of ski that i could use for ripping on cruisers, doing technical teaching, occasionally going off-piste with the kids for a run or 2, and running gates since i also have the opportunity to coach and train with masters racers during the week.

any thoughts on a GS racing type of ski that would be good for me? also what length should i be looking at? the last time i was on dedicated racing skis was on 203 SL/207 GS. i don't necessarily need a FIS legal ski or an extremely demanding ski, but i typically don't like noodly skis either. anyhoo... enough rambling... any thoughts?

btw, i am open to all brands... but i know i can get Volkls, Nordicas, K2 easier than others.
post #2 of 27
The Volkl Racetiger GS 180 is the first race ski I've ever been on that rips in the course and on the groomed, and is still a pleasure to free ski. I haven't ever taken it off the groomed stuff (I have the Karma and 6* for that), but otherwise, it's a great ski!
post #3 of 27
A GS feel but more versatile ?
If Volkls are easier to get (but they come with markers...) : A Allstar, around 180 cm.
Other options : Dynastar SkiCross or Stockli LaserCross.
If you don't want to get too skinny... A Contact 11 or an AC3 (? never tried those).
Why didn't you asked on TGR ?
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
(but they come with markers...)
Never, ever, ever had a problem with Markers....

But, the Racetiger GS World Cup doesn't come with bindings. Sorry I wasn't clear with my previous post....Racestock, not the consumer version!
post #5 of 27
chili,

I was looking for some GS skis for the same purpose as you were and folks (racers) here gave me some good advice.

previous discussion

I’m about your size but sounds like you rip much prettier than I ever would. Fischer makes some good ripping skis and as far as I can tell the FIS GS in 178 skis better than non-FIS RC4 in 180. While they are both great at long sweeping turns, I was able to rip rapid short-turns better on the FIS GS than when I was on RC4. Totally surprised me.

What’s more, check the eGay price here. It’s not an awesome deal but fair.

They slay the icy hardpack!
post #6 of 27
If I were you, I'd get a full FIS GS ski like a Nordica Doberman GSR or the like. There really is no substitute. The only downside is you won't want to take them off-piste.
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
hmmm... thanks for some of the input. i just got off the phone with a racing buddy of mine and will demo some 185 FIS race stock Rossi's of his that he's been on for a couple of years. he's the same height but got about 25 lbs on me, so it sounds like something in a 180ish might be the ticket.

might be time to start calling some buddies once they get back from SIA in Vegas.
post #8 of 27
Hmm, a race stock GS ?
I'm confused. You said you were looking for a ski to
1 Rip the groomer.
2 Teach.
3 Skiing occasionaly off piste.
4 Bash some gates.

Seems to me than a genuine race stock GS will suck for 2 and 3... And than a high end 'skier cross', around 70mm, may prove more versatile and still good between gates.
Maybe I misundertood you question. (what kind of teaching are we talking about ?)
post #9 of 27
Sure but he's already got all of those other skis including a 182 5-star which pretty much is a cheater GS.
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
just to clarify things...

perhaps i may be asking too much of one ski to do. i have a full quiver of freeride skis, but one "groomer snow" ski (5 Stars)... which i definitely push the limits on it regularly. i was looking at suggestions for another ski to either replace the 5 Stars or compliment them.

i coach a team of 9-11 y/o kids which can ski every inch of the mountain i coach at... steep chutes, cliffs, bumps, trees, groomers etc. i spend 70% of my time free-skiing with them and doing drills. as the season progresses, we will start doing some gate drills and courses... since our team feeds the competitive racing and freestyle teams at the mountain. i have the top kids in the program.

so... on any given day i could start the day ripping icy groomers, then doing slow speed drills, later in the morning running some gates, and the afternoon going off-piste for some corn snow. that's while skiing with the kids. i also have the opportunity to coach and run gates with the Masters program at the mountain mid-week.

while i would love to have a quiver of skis at the bottom of the lift so i can switch out every run, that is not going to happen. i realize there are trade-offs with each type of ski... i was just trying to get a general sense of what skis or type of skis i should check out.

there are a lot more choices and variations then when i used to get my 6 pairs of race stock skis (2 SL, 2GS, 1SG, 1DH) from Rossi and that was it!
post #11 of 27
Well, a "skier cross" should be your jack of all trades, IMO.
post #12 of 27
OK then, Nordica Mach 3 Power or Volkl Racetiger RC.
post #13 of 27
Well, I stand by my first recommendation (Fischer FIS GS in 178cm or other GS type in 180ish) for those icy days that you really can’t or don’t’ want to ski anything off groomed.

You should consider another pair - SC type in 165-175cm perhaps that would work wonders when you rip with lil-rippers.

You should have a plenty of fund left over from selling your 184 B-Squad. Imho – they are designed for gunning untracked wide-open bowls and pretty much useless elsewhere.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Boar2m View Post
Well, I stand by my first recommendation (Fischer FIS GS in 178cm or other GS type in 180ish) for those icy days that you really can’t or don’t’ want to ski anything off groomed.

You should consider another pair - SC type in 165-175cm perhaps that would work wonders when you rip with lil-rippers.

You should have a plenty of fund left over from selling your 184 B-Squad. Imho – they are designed for gunning untracked wide-open bowls and pretty much useless elsewhere.
Just want to caution that my 165 cm 13-m sidecut WC SC will not satisfy the craving for ripping carved medium to long turns. It can handle the unwise speeds, but doesn't carve as nicely as a long radius ski.
post #15 of 27
With this skill level, "Former ranked USSA/FIS jr racer, NCAA Div 1 racer, and USSCA Level 1 coach.," you need a real race ski. You will bend the hell out of a cheater ski, especially since you are used to skiing off-piste sticks that have 30m+ radii.


Any legal radius ski should be good, in a 185 or so. Stock or not depends on if you want to go 40+ all the time or not. If you are skiing with a bunch of race kids, I don't see why not. My personal choices would be a Nordica Dobermann GSR, Atomic GS11 or 12, or the Fischer if you really want to work. The volkl could work, but the GS stock, which comes flat, would be the only one I'd consider. It is soft compared to the others, but not bad. The GS racing, with the motion and markers, is a noodle.

Good luck!
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
You will bend the hell out of a cheater ski
Is that really true? At only 150 lbs.?
post #17 of 27
FIS and D1 racer, it's like a whole different sport dude, trust me. Ussa buddies of mine with about 50 points at 150lbs could bend skis I couldn't at 190 when I was racing.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post
Never, ever, ever had a problem with Markers....
I switched to Blizzard SL skis this year and they came with Markers..... whats up with the ski stoppers!!?? They dont fold like the Tyrolias!

Chili, the Blizzard GS Magnesium FIS is a great ski for groomers and fast skiing. Do they fit in the bumps? I used to ski bumps with 205's back in the 70's and 80's so why not 185's. Last year I skied all my skiing on a pair of 166cm SL RD skis and it was great. As long as you dont try to ski a GS race cource you will be ok. Easier in the bumps and doing drills with kids. GS skis run too straight for steep slopes and too fast for crowded groomers. My 2 cent.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
FIS and D1 racer, it's like a whole different sport dude, trust me.
Not sure I buy this. For example, from realskiers.com, regarding the Volkl Racetiger RC Titanium: "most world cup athletes would jump on skis like the Race Carver in a heartbeat, were they not illegal on the circuit."
post #20 of 27
I would take realskiers with a half a grain of salt. Their opinion of all race skis is "suited only for courses" and their opinion of all powder skis is "useless out of powder." Maybe a stock version of the RC could be fast on a hybrid GS/SL course, like Nastar, but for real GS racers a real ski is necessary.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Boar2m View Post
What’s more, check the eGay price here. It’s not an awesome deal but fair.
Go to that guy's eBay store (you can link from the listing in Boar2m's hyperlink). He's got a ton of great deals on Fischer RC4 WC (FIS) and RC4 WC RC (non-FIS) skis in lots of sizes.
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
doublediamond223 and others...

again thanks for the thoughts. i am all across the board on this... and it really seems i need to borrow and demo a bunch of skis to see what works. on one hand a full GS FIS race ski would work... but could it be too much work sometimes?!?! on the other hand could a skiercross or a different GS cheater ski not be enough sometimes?!?! i dunno...

i just need to get some ski time on a bunch of skis and see. on the other hand, if Tahoe starts getting snow again, i'll just stick to some of my freeride sticks for a while . in any case, i'll let folks know what i end up playing around with and work seems to work and what doesn't. it sounds like a couple of different skis might be needed to fit the bill
post #23 of 27
Yeah, as usual the answer is demo, demo, demo.
post #24 of 27

New old stock skicross skis

Get a pair of NOS skicross skis, like a Dynastar Skicross 9 from a few years ago. They're versatile, not too turny, and stiff, but not too stiff, especially since you're only 150 lbs. A lot of the top end skis from Volkl, Atomic, etc. are a bit stiff for teaching/skiing with kids. I had a pair of Volkl Superspeeds (175s), and just sold them to a buddy b/c they were a little stiff for me at 172 lbs. My buddy is ~200 lbs. so they'll be a little easier for him to bend.

FWIW, I may be able to get my hands on a new pair of Dynastar Skicross 9s (178s) for ~$100 plus shipping. With a Look P10 off of ebay, you'd have a sweet NEW setup for $200. PM me if you want me to see if I can follow up on the Dynastars.

BTW, I mostly ski Squaw, Alpine, & Kirkwood, and find the skicross skis to be pretty versatile in low snow/Spring-like conditions in Tahoe.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Boar2m View Post
chili,

I was looking for some GS skis for the same purpose as you were and folks (racers) here gave me some good advice.

previous discussion

I’m about your size but sounds like you rip much prettier than I ever would. Fischer makes some good ripping skis and as far as I can tell the FIS GS in 178 skis better than non-FIS RC4 in 180. While they are both great at long sweeping turns, I was able to rip rapid short-turns better on the FIS GS than when I was on RC4. Totally surprised me.

What’s more, check the eGay price here. It’s not an awesome deal but fair.

They slay the icy hardpack!

chili

i would second this recommendation for the Fischer WC GS. I have the 06 in 178 (5'8", 165#) and although it is primarily my masters GS race ski it rips all over and you can even pilot it through the soft stuff if you must. Haven't found a speed limit on it either Have tried a lot of different GS skis and this is by far my favorite. I have had the 04, 05 and 06 versions of this and the 06 is definitely the pick of the bunch IMHO. Definitely one of my all time favorite skis .

Try the 178 or 183 would be my recommendation. (the 07 is virtually the same ski, cosmetic changes primarily and some very minor tweaks according to my rep contact.)

I had actually bought a pair of racestock 183 Atomic GS11 for this season but decided i liked the fischers more so the atomics are still in the plastic!

I also have the WC GS 05 in 193 and after playing about with the binding position it also goes like an express train but not quite as versatile for me as the shorter length. Great (for me) for Super G tho.
post #26 of 27
I really like the Head RD iGS, they feel like freight trains and carve like nothing I have ever seen. You can get them from a season or two ago for less than $300.
post #27 of 27
Seconding Fischer. I coach with the 04 iteration of the GS ski in a 178 and I don't see any problem with them in any situation (running gates, they're a bit soft, so I'd opt for something longer in your case). Sure they will be hard to work around in soft snow or bumps, but people have short memories (or have become lazy)... 10 years ago, you would have one stiff plank with almost no sidecut to ski SL, bumps, chutes, pow and coach, while 15 years ago, you would've had no sidecut at all and a skinnier ski to boot.

Rossi would also be a good choice if you like the feel. They tend to be pretty manageable while freeskiing (since they're noodly) but have that damp feeling that translates to "confidence" on the racecourse.

Plus, GS skis from 2 years ago can be had for a song on ebay and the like since people have in their head that they all suck at freeskiing. Sure, you need space to open it up, but a little pivot at the entry of the turn can take care of the too much speed/not enough place paradigm.
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