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Some quality time in a boot shop Race boots vs consumer boots

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
let me start by saying that it is the norm for me to try on a boot and say it fits well, get me a custom foot bed and then go ski them .
So, now that I have been in the Tecnica Icon carbon 28.5, Icon carbon Foam 28.5 , Icon XT 17 28.5, Diablo Race Pro 130 28.0 , Diablo magnesiums 27.5 , and now the Nordica Speed machine 14s ( 27.5) .

Today I went into a ski shop to look around and ou tof the blue someone came over and started talking about boots with me . I asked if flex is all that important , Forward lean , ect . what I was told was this : find a boot that fits your feet first and then dont worry about flex . if you like longer skis get a boot with more forward lean , shorter skis get less forward lean . I was futher told that a boot should be pretty tight at first and issues with cold feet is not the size always but more of a fit /boot issue .

so we went on and I explained that I like a boot with more forward lean most of the time . For some reason I explained that I had the Diablo Race Pros in a 28/28.5 and they seems too stiff . I was told that since the size was too large I was trying to balance agaist the boot which is not what should happen . They have assured me that the race Pro in a 27.5 would ski very different as I would not be pressing so hard against the front of the boot but rather just keeping good pressure against the front and not driving as hard .
so my question is this : with the new skis , is flex really that big of a deal as we tend to stay somewhat centered and only roll our skis from edge to edge .
I am thinking of maybe trying the Icon XT in a 27.5, or the Diablo Race pro / R in the same size . I remember the XT 17s were great to ski on but cold - so maybe I purchased them too large and buckled them down to compensate . I would say the same with the Race Pros . The speed machines I like to some degree but I do want more forward lean and I dont want to cut a fairly new boot .

Dave
post #2 of 13
Most people on here seem to collect skis, but you are collecting boots? I haven't had that many boots in my lifetime!
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
I collect skis as well . It seems hard to find the correct boot . They feel great in the store but on the hill they are soooo differect or you discover you love them on groomers and crud but hate them in deeper stuff.
post #4 of 13

Boots.......

Hi Gator,
Call me crazy...but it really sounds like you just haven't done the shellsizing for shape enough in the smaller shell size. ...then have areas blown out a little to make room.
post #5 of 13
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well, tonight while running around in Boulder Colorado I made a pit stop at boulder ski deals . They were pretty slow so I did get shell fit . They boot tech there said this : if you were in a 28.5 diablo race pro I am not suprised you did not like them " they are way too large " sadly they did not have them in a 27.5. so , we tried the 26.5 and that boot hurt like h*ll. . Next just for fun he tried to get my foot in the Nordica WC boot and we gave up - that has to be the toughest boot I have ever tried to get on my feet ( 27.5) . But now I know I want the diablo race pro in a 27.5 . He even told me to not look for the XT 17s as I did find a few pair in a 27.5 earlier . He thinks the XT 17 was a great boot / still to some degree but the new boots are so much better comfort wise and respone wise that he would spend the extra money and get an 04/05 or 06/07 boot . I guess this weekend I am going to try and make a ski swap in Denver and see what I can get for the speedmachine 14s in a 27.5 ( he suggested 500.00 bucks but I was shocked at the price but hey ' I will ask for that on ebay and see what happeds . apparently that boot is very very hot for those who dont want a full on race boot . sellilng for almost 650.00 in the stores or more .
post #6 of 13
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They feel great in the store but on the hill they are soooo differect or you discover you love them on groomers and crud but hate them in deeper stuff.
this is your problem. You should feel PAIN when you try the boot in the store. The boot should feel way too small and impossible to get into in the store. Then after about 7 days of skiing and maybe losing one or both big toe nails, the boot will fit perfectly.
post #7 of 13
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He even told me to not look for the XT 17s as I did find a few pair in a 27.5 earlier . He thinks the XT 17 was a great boot / still to some degree but the new boots are so much better comfort wise and respone wise that he would spend the extra money and get an 04/05 or 06/07 boot.
Gator,

I have been looking for a deal on the XT17 in 27.5...What did you find? I'm not going to be in Denver/Boulder any time soon, but I may have some connections. Please let me know price/location. PM or just reply in this thread. Thanks!
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
ALS ski barn has some for 219.00 and one other shop had them for 349.00( I will look for the name of the shop when I get back home today . I did see a used pair of XT17 in a 27.5 on ebay for 40.00 dollars .

Dave
post #9 of 13
Don't bother, $349 is way too much for an XT17. I bought a pair brand new last year for $55. I'm looking for a deal in the $100 range. Thanks amyway.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
wow, now thats a steal
post #11 of 13
Just my opinion:
You can certainly turn modern skis with soft boots; you don't need a stiff forward flex to tip a ski. However high performance skiing is all about pressure control, including fore-aft pressure control. If you want precise, significant instant fore-aft pressure redistribution, you still want a stiff boot. The flip side is if you need a lot of movement in that direction without applying too much pressure, you still need a softer boot.
post #12 of 13
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wow, now thats a steal
Yeah, they (Northeast Ski Liquidators) had 4 pairs for that price...bought one for me, one for my brother...wish I had bought the other 2 for eBay.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
do you have a number for them ? I dont see them listed when I do a google search .
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