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ELAN- A Home for washed up ski pros?

post #1 of 24
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So, I was just at an Elan/ Dalbello party when they announced two 'new' team members...Brad Holmes and Kim Riechelm. Has Elan Become the place where old PRO skiers go to die? Just curious.


They did have the pussycat dolls dancing, it was a great party (if I told you more you would hunt me down and kill me...)
post #2 of 24

please. The polite expression is

"Consigned to the aeternal Magfire."
post #3 of 24
I've been thinking that Elan is targeting some knowledgable skiers with some experience to take them to the next level.

These Pros are definitely a class bunch!
post #4 of 24
It certainly has not hurt the product they put out.

They produce a fantastic ski.
post #5 of 24
Unclear to what degree any of these folks actually helps design anything, but if they do, I'd rather have washed up old pros with years of experience under their belts than the cool new kids who know all about one ski doing one kind of skiing.
post #6 of 24
Well, one of those two pros can have some fairly significant input on ski design. The other has been a vagabond who has followed a paycheck to several ski makers. It is unlikely that his presence will do anything except perhaps generate some marketing. In any case, these recent signings will have abosolutely NO effect upon product until '08-'09 (at the earliest).

FWIW, '08-'09 collections will largely be finalized by the end of the summer.

SJ
post #7 of 24
If all ski design was up to Glen Plake we would still be on 240cm skinny straight skis. He was the last "pro" to switch to carving skis, and he is sill 100% opposed to fat skis. Any endorsement by him is the kiss of death for that equipment as far as I am concerned.

Elan seem to be preparing themselves fo a large step backwards in ski design.
post #8 of 24
Kiwiski, I think you're exagerating Plake's stance. He just says that seriously shaped skis have dumbed down our skills; we no longer need to learn to adjust the shape of the turn dynamically, just ride the sidecut and hang on for the thrill.

Which is not too far from the truth: Read the old thread from ssh about life with more than the B-5, or my repost of another Bear's comment about why the Stockli XL is a more interesting ski than most of the current highly shaped crop. I own a couple of highly shaped carvers/AM's and I love them. But I agree that they don't require the same skills - or ultimately give the same reward - as a somewhat longer, somewhat less dramatically shaped ski (which I also own). That said, I'm not going back to my old 201 7's, and I don't think Plake is going back to his 210's.
post #9 of 24
After reading the latest spiral fracture thread, I'm pretty glad I bought some "mid-length, mid-radius" (the McGs) skis as my latest purchase.
post #10 of 24
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After reading the latest spiral fracture thread, I'm pretty glad I bought some "mid-length, mid-radius" (the McGs) skis as my latest purchase.
That thread does make a pair of 192 elan m777 sound like good idea.

(Now, will the wife buy the "safety" justification?)
post #11 of 24
Plake, Holmes and Kim are notable names. I know Plake wants to get into designing skis, his first one might be out mid season. Kim will add credablity to any womans line and with her influence and her camps she is a strong addition. I really don't knw the story behind Brad, but he has notable name. Anything to get people thinking about your product is good.

If people are talking about your product here at Epic, it is all good.
post #12 of 24
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That thread does make a pair of 192 elan m777 sound like good idea.

(Now, will the wife buy the "safety" justification?)
The Elan M777 is the best ski ever made! You will be glad you got them!
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by kiwiski View Post
If all ski design was up to Glen Plake we would still be on 240cm skinny straight skis. He was the last "pro" to switch to carving skis, and he is sill 100% opposed to fat skis.

Since when did he start skiing gaperskis (er) "shaped" skis??

Except for the fat ski thing I agree with him 100%. Long skis with little sidecut rock.

Never really was an Elan fan and never really cared who was skiing what, but I think Plake is a better skier than say the blonde gangsta-rap park kid (can't think of his name) or Sage Cabalooga-gablooga.
post #14 of 24
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Since when did he start skiing gaperskis (er) "shaped" skis??

Except for the fat ski thing I agree with him 100%. Long skis with little sidecut rock.
Oh my god, lets not get into an argument over what is, and what is not, a carving/shaped ski. The last time I heard of him he was skiing K2 race stock (I know, this is an oxymoron) super G skis with Merlin VI graphics. Which I believe have a sidecut radius of well over 40m. Now he is pushing (although I haven't seen him skiing) the Magfire Magma which I am pretty sure has a bit more sidecut than his K2s, and probably not available in over 200cm.

He might not be on the shortest skis available, he might not be on the skis with the most extreme sidecut, but he is now pushing skis which are a long way away from the planks he has hauling around in the bad old days. Nobody could ever call him progressive, at a time when ski equipment is evolving faster than any time in history.

Nobody is doubting his skiing skills, but in his attitude towards ski design, he is a dinosaur.
post #15 of 24
Word from SIA is that he'll be rocking a pair of 191 Elan GS boards with the m999 graphic this year. Not a production (or even limited run) ski.
post #16 of 24
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Word from SIA is that he'll be rocking a pair of 191 Elan GS boards with the m999 graphic this year. Not a production (or even limited run) ski.
I am not a bit surprised, but given the ad below I would have thought they would at least slap the magfire graphics on his fully custom, non-production skis.

post #17 of 24
I was one of the first to question Glen as being a sellout and going to Dalbello from Raichle. Then he came out with the Krypton and I ate a nice big dish of crow. I will cut him some slack till he can get his hands dirty and come out with a couple of ski designs. Anything he skis on this season will either be something that was already "in-line" or a prototype for the future. We will not see any Plake influnence until 08 or maybe even 09.
post #18 of 24
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Nobody is doubting his skiing skills, but in his attitude towards ski design, he is a dinosaur.
In my opinion, not really.

Glen Plake skis moguls, skis powder runs fast. A round turning, shorter length, smaller radius carving ski would just not work for him. He doesn't need a ski that when it's not on edge wants to move from side to side on the flats. He doesn't need a ski that wants to make a turn up the hill, or a 17m turn.

A ski with a larger radius will ski more in the fall line which is how Plake is skiing moguls and powder, not skiing round carved turns in those conditions so he demands something that works for those turns and speeds.
post #19 of 24
I've see a few shots of Glen with him skiing the new 888 ALU. That ski has quite a bit of sidecut and it sure didn't look like it was another ski "masquerading" as the 888.
post #20 of 24
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Nobody could ever call him progressive, at a time when ski equipment is evolving faster than any time in history.

Nobody is doubting his skiing skills, but in his attitude towards ski design, he is a dinosaur.
I actually had the pleasure of meeting and skiing a couple of runs with Glen Plake this past weekend in New Hampshire. It's clear you have no idea what Plake's attitude is towards ski development or design. He will ski anything you put in front of him, and on any terrain. But the fact is (and this is coming directly from him) there is nothing more he wants than to advance the sport of skiing. We have all seen the movies and read the articles about him ripping down mogul runs on 210 long boards, but the truth is that he doesnt do that on most days (especially when enjoying Heavenly powder days). Signing with Elan is giving him the ability to add worthy insight to ski development for a company that has the same commitment to advancing the sport. Calling him a dinosaur is a joke.
post #21 of 24
With all that said (everything from above)... and from what Beezer had to say about Plake: "Word." (Thank you my brotha)

I've skied w/Glenn on KT-22 and he tears it apart like no otha...!!
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
but I think Plake is a better skier than say the blonde gangsta-rap park kid (can't think of his name) or Sage Cabalooga-gablooga.
I'm as anti-gansta/rap/park as anyone, but I gotta tell ya.... Sage has some serious skills and style. I'll give him some credit.
post #23 of 24
What manufacturer have the Mahres gone to? Klamer? Roffe? Schmidt? Meier? Carmichael? Get the names that have recognition and you will sell more product.
post #24 of 24
Well, I think it's very kind of Elan to continue to give a home to this balding, middle-aged, washed-up old has-been. What did he ever do? Win a couple of World Cup races?
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