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2007 Elan Magfire 12 @176 Review

post #1 of 12
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I'm 6'2", 205, aggressive, solid 7+ or 8 I guess. I like all turns but gravitate towards carving and GS on hardpack. I love to hit the backside, so my ski needs to handle the typical Oregon daily heavy dump.

I'm in the market for a 1 ski quiver. I want a powerful ski that has a big performance potential, but just enough forgiveness that it doesn't completely kick my ass at 3:30 in the afternoon if I get lazy or a bit tired. I'm coming off of old as dirt Kneissl White Star SL 207s, and today was my first day on shaped skis. I'm not going back!

Today I demoed the Elan Magfire 12 176 at Mt. Hood Meadows, partially due to Dawgcatching's All-Mountain ski review. Conditions were mostly hard pack with some half assed Monday corduroy and crusted over 5 day old crud. New snow wasn't on the menu unfortunately.

I loved the feel of the Mag12... very powerful and held an edge like I was on rails. I was surprised at how quick they were edge to edge at moderate speed and above. They powered through the junk without getting too worked up, and I was surprised at how confident such a short ski made me feel from the start.

I encountered a bit of tail hook on some low/moderate speed skid turns. I don't consider this to be a fault with the ski as much as my technique, and easily correctible as I continue to adjust to skiing the new equipment. I noticed just a touch of twitchiness at high speed when not on edge, but it may be my technique again...

Overall impressions were extremely positive. I'm strongly considering these, but need more days on shaped skis to do truly valuable comparisons. Compared to my 207s, these 176s were extremely flickable, for obvious reasons.

I'm also interested in the Head M77, M82, Nordica Jet Fuel, Afterburner, Volkl AC3, and AC4. Other suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks,

Jim
post #2 of 12
Nice review. My experience with the Magfire is that is really rewards a balanced skier (I often ski big mountain twin tips that allow me to develop some sloppy habits). Once I found the sweet spot, it was fun to ski. I have also skied the Head M82 and found it to be as many Heads are described: somewhat heavy and very damp feeling. I don't usually ski Head skis, so at first the feeling was leading me to a negative impression. However, with more time on the skis, I actually grew to like how predictable they were in chopped up crud. Not as much sense of pop and responsiveness as the Elan, but still a sense of being able to rip through just about anything. IMHO, they are very different feeling skis, so personal preference really needs to dicatate what you choose.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by jimsiff View Post
I'm also interested in the Head M77, M82, Nordica Jet Fuel, Afterburner, Volkl AC3, and AC4. Other suggestions would be appreciated!
I own the Elan m666 fusion which Dawg says is the same ski as the Mag 12 and I like it as well although I've come to prefer a wider ski for most conditions and they have become my "backup" to my Volkl Mantras.

In regards to your question, I've skied the Jet Fuel, AC3 & AC4.

Jet Fuel is considerably more demanding and stiffer than the Mag and at my weight of 165# I couldn't get it to do much well aside from big arcs at high speed.

The AC3 skis similarly to the Elan but I find the Elan to be more powerful on groomers with more pop in the tail and the AC3 to have a bit larger sweet spot and more manageable in the bumps.

The AC4 has more float than either in fresh snow but is slower edge to edge and a bit more clumsy in the bumps. Edge hold for all 3 skis are excellent for "midfats."
post #4 of 12
The Mag 14/Magfire has my attention.
post #5 of 12
Jim,

I am glad you enjoyed the Magfire 12. You will likely find that your technique will improve fairly rapidly, and you will be quickly carving turns, without really resorting to skidding technique. I had the same issue when I purchased my first pair of shaped skis, a Volkl P40 Platinum back in 2001 (don't laugh-I was in college for a few years and not skiing much, therefore had no reason to get new skis).

The other skis on your list are all good options. For a different feel, check out the Head or the Nordica (probably will feel stiffer, without as much energy, but very solid). Also, ski the Legend 8000 if you can, as it is a more damp, yet superb ski. The Magfire 14/Magma that PhilPug alluded to won't be available until next fall, unfortunately.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by Alberto View Post
I have also skied the Head M82 <snip> I actually grew to like how predictable they were in chopped up crud. Not as much sense of pop and responsiveness as the Elan, but still a sense of being able to rip through just about anything. IMHO, they are very different feeling skis, so personal preference really needs to dicatate what you choose.
Thanks for the insight. I really liked the energy of the Elan, and think I'd hesitate to give some of that up. That said, I need more time on shaped skis to make that decision. I'd like to talk my local shop into letting me take their Mag12, M77, M82, and AC3 out for a day of fun. I think that would help me iron out my personal preferences some more.
post #7 of 12
I'm your same heigth and weight and I've narrowed my choices to....

Atomic - Snoop Daddy
Fischer - AMC 79
Blizzard - Titan Nine
Elan - Magfire 12

And I'm finding it difficult to no imagine the AMC 79s underfoot.

My brother-in-law is our same size and skis the East. He loves his AMC 76s and says he'd have gone for the 79s if he was out here.

- KK
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
I am glad you enjoyed the Magfire 12. You will likely find that your technique will improve fairly rapidly, and you will be quickly carving turns, without really resorting to skidding technique. I had the same issue when I purchased my first pair of shaped skis, a Volkl P40 Platinum back in 2001 (don't laugh-I was in college for a few years and not skiing much, therefore had no reason to get new skis)
Dawg,

Too funny, I just took the MRR logic bindings off and put them on ebay last night.....

off my P40 Plats!!!

What a great ski! No wonder we like all the same stuff!!

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Jimsiff,

I was where you were until I bought my first short carvers(Allstar 168) last year.....check out the free demo team videos in my signature....and work on engaging the tips earlier in the turn and getting the angles in the demos....do the drills and dial it in....dawg is right as always, fear not, good athletic stance focus on tipping the little toe edge downhill, engage early. You will be blown away.....the new stuff is that good!!

Mag 12 should absolutely rock your world at your size the 176 should be bomber!! (I spent quite a bit of time on my buds 176 M666 - nearly identical last year and loved em)

BTW, dawgcatching probably has em in stock and can throw you a sweet deal.....I have never met dawg, I just like how he goes about his business.

His reviews are the best on the web as far as I am concerned.....in fact dawg any comments on my new 180 explosiv's?
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
Dawg,

Too funny, I just took the MRR logic bindings off and put them on ebay last night.....

off my P40 Plats!!!

What a great ski! No wonder we like all the same stuff!!
Yes, that was a great ski! Unfortunately, I got upgrade-itis after a couple of months (I thought it was too much ski for me) and put them on Ebay. It took a couple of months before I found a suitable replacement.
post #10 of 12
Haven't skied Mags, have heard they're a lot like AC4's. Can add that although they weigh a decent amount in the Gondola line, I don't find Heads particularly heavy on the snow - in fact the iM82 is more agile to me than the AC4 at 177 (same radius), probably because it has a noticably softer shovel. But Heads stiffen seriously back from the shovel, take more to bend than a Volkl. So the "heaviness" feeling may be more about flex pattern.
post #11 of 12
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Thanks all for the great feedback. I think I'm going to give the iM88's a ride next to gauge how I like the Head feel and a wider ski under foot. I'm hoping the 88's will give me a sharper contrast to the Mag12s than the 82's would.

The AC4 is probably off my list. I found some 177s unmounted, but I'm not buying without a demo. I'm sure it's a great ride, but I want to test some more before committing to anything.

I'd really like to give the Legend 8000's a shot, but can't find them to demo in Portland. Dawg, do you have any 8000's to demo if I came to SR for a weekend?
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by jimsiff View Post
Thanks all for the great feedback. I think I'm going to give the iM88's a ride next to gauge how I like the Head feel and a wider ski under foot. I'm hoping the 88's will give me a sharper contrast to the Mag12s than the 82's would.

The AC4 is probably off my list. I found some 177s unmounted, but I'm not buying without a demo. I'm sure it's a great ride, but I want to test some more before committing to anything.

I'd really like to give the Legend 8000's a shot, but can't find them to demo in Portland. Dawg, do you have any 8000's to demo if I came to SR for a weekend?
Yes, I have the 8000's available for demo, 172 and 178. Let me know if you are coming down: I will send you up with 4 pair of skis (more if you like) so that you can get a feel for what you like and don't like. It is much better than demoing 1 pair all day, as snow conditions change from day to day, and skier fitness can come into play if you try something for more than a few runs. Bachelor has parking right alongside the Skyliner lift, so it takes 2 minutes or less to get out of the skis, walk down the bank, change skis, step back up onto the run, and start skiing once again.
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