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Creating a bump farm with skis, anyone done it?

post #1 of 13
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A lot of eastern resorts will start a bump run by farming bumps. Have a groomer push up alternating piles of snow to start the bumps. The skiers then round them out.

I was wondering if it would be possible to start a bump farm with skis instead. Set up alternating rows of brush gates and then have skiers make turns through them in various patterns any way they want. Perhaps in only a day, you get the beginners of some lines, then take the brush gates away and the the bumps naturally continue to build.

Anyone ever try this? If you did, how were the results?
post #2 of 13
Yeah, it's been done, and is pretty effective. Set up markers about every 30 feet down the hill. You really don't even need markers/gates if the hill is small enough and you have enough people. Just have a group of people make laps, skiing the exact same line. Make slow-ish, controlled, small to medium radius skidded turns. The bumps will start to form. Then, ski another line next to the first line, imagining that the piles left from the first line are the tops of the bumps. You have to get everyone on board with what you are doing, so that people don't screw it up. It'll take a few hours, but eventually, the bumps will begin to form.
post #3 of 13
On a bump camp I went to the coaches had a rope with marks every so many feet. They would stake the rope to the top of the run and run it down from there, then put little flags (like the ones sold in Home Depot for marking stuff when landscaping) at each mark. They would mark a few lines that way (of course offsetting the starting point), and then that gave all of us points of reference to 'pile' the snow to using our skis. Worked awesome.
post #4 of 13
I've done it on my own without markers. I skied 9 laps per hour for 3 hours on a freshly groomed trail making turns in exactly the same spot. I got the bumps up to 6 inches. Then the trail got over run with wookies and the snow got soft. My bumps got to 3 feet and a real nice zipper line in another hour.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by learn2turn View Post
A lot of eastern resorts will start a bump run by farming bumps. Have a groomer push up alternating piles of snow to start the bumps. The skiers then round them out.

I was wondering if it would be possible to start a bump farm with skis instead. Set up alternating rows of brush gates and then have skiers make turns through them in various patterns any way they want. Perhaps in only a day, you get the beginners of some lines, then take the brush gates away and the the bumps naturally continue to build.

Anyone ever try this? If you did, how were the results?
there is a grooming machine that makes bumps these days, but most hills just put 3 equally spaced rows of poles down the side of a run, close it off, and allow the good skiers to do their thing.
post #6 of 13
A bunch of skiers formed moguls without even trying!
post #7 of 13
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A bunch of skiers formed moguls without even trying!
Word. That's how it's done around here. I never in my life heard if "farming" or marking off where to turn. Aceman
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Word. That's how it's done around here. I never in my life heard if "farming" or marking off where to turn. Aceman
We do it for competitions, so the bumps become regularly spaced and at the regulation distance.
post #9 of 13
Brilliant idea: Use skiers to imitate the result you get from a grooming machine that's built to imitate the result you get from skiers.
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Brilliant idea: Use skiers to imitate the result you get from a grooming machine that's built to imitate the result you get from skiers.
How else would we do it!
post #11 of 13
That's how we used to do it at a tiny place I worked years ago. set up some sticks, and every chance, we'd all ski through them. Before long (a day or so), bumps were forming. Then we'd move the sticks and do some more. (ski school was 12 people).
post #12 of 13
I had no idea there were grooming machines that make moguls.

Can anyone tell me what resorts use them?

Also, are they used on just a couple runs, or pretty much everything that turns to moguls on its own?

Anyone got a picture, or an explanation of how they work?
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Wachusett, Okema, Loon. Probably several other other eastern resorts.

They just use a regular snow cat. They push piles up on a diagonal and get alternating lines of lumps typically topped with golf-balls to baby-head sized clods of hard snow. They pretty much suck until they've been skied a few days. Then they become more like moguls.

One the downside is that, because of the diagonal push, they tend to be asymmetric. You'll ski a rounder turn on one side than the other on every bump.

On the upside, you get a nicer rhythmic grouping than you would normally get for a pitch. If you take a moderate blue and leave it ungroomed and let it bump naturally in eastern hard-snow conditions, you often to get a 20-30' skid flat, then one big bump, than another 20-30' skid flat, then another big bump, repeat down the slope. You get a tighter grouping if the bumps are started artificially.

See the picture of "Seeded" bumps at Loon in the Epic picture gallery--
That's the results after they've been skied a bit to get some shape.
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