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post #31 of 41
Kessler is only there for the Shapes and Technology. Hans-Jörg won't manufacture anything but maybe the Prototypes for Palmer. He sold some technology over to Atomic so that Atomic can make better race skis (yeah - sometimes even at the moment snowboard manufacturers can have technologies that make real raceroom skis better).
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by extremecarver View Post
Kessler is only there for the Shapes and Technology. Hans-Jörg won't manufacture anything but maybe the Prototypes for Palmer. He sold some technology over to Atomic so that Atomic can make better race skis (yeah - sometimes even at the moment snowboard manufacturers can have technologies that make real raceroom skis better).
I agree on cross-pollination of technology between snowboards and skis. No reason why the lessons learned from designing carving snowboard geometries can't be adapted to skis.

I was very impressed with the Palmer (nee Head?) carving ski geometry being able to execute very precise, very grippy carved turns with very little pressure. If these designers have good ideas, spread the knowledge around and see how people like it.

Fun stuff. Good toys.
post #33 of 41
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The international product managers for Head skis, Head boots, and the US guy for Palmer skis dropped by the store to visit last week. We had quite a long talk about brands, marketing, product etc. It is safe to say that there will be a continued effort on the Palmer ski project but it won't be a massive money slam. They will do it slowly and incrementally. IMO that's probably the correct way.

SJ
post #34 of 41
Have a look at www.kessler1.ch to understand what Kessler is about, it's the dominating brand in the snowboard worldcup, getting probabely 25 out of the first 50 places. The technology for Atomic therefore is strictly for producing better custom skis, nothing much about the normal non racestock skis.

Kessler can also produce skis, but I don't know if he makes more than say 10 skis a year. (I'ld guess total production per year will be about maximum 1000 boards).
post #35 of 41
I'm going to Sunshine & Lake Louise over New Years. Will the Palmers be ok there or should I leave them at home? Thanks.
post #36 of 41
I am very interested in purchasing a pair of these skis. I would like to know what others who have been on them think. I am an Ex Racer turned coach so I am used to stiff equiptment. I am currently on the Blizzard X Cross Pro's with the IQ bindings. I really enjoy these skis, which is why I am having a hard time decideing. I also snowboard a lot and have had really good results on the Palmer Boards, this is why I am interested in the skis. Plus I am interested in the new kessler shape and the fact that they are different from everyone else out there.

Thanks

Josh
post #37 of 41
Josh,

The Palmer P02 is definitely not a stiff ski. Way softer than your 'Cross skis, but completely different. I think you will love the arcs you can make with the Palmers, but they require a different technique than your 'Cross boards....you may or may not like the input they want. If you're used to a really strong pressure technique (like getting some race room skis to grip in rutted courses!), you may overpower the Palmers. In my opinion (whoopdie doo), they are more of a technician's ski than a racer's ski (if that makes sense). I say get a demo before you buy them. I really like the way they turn. You might find that you could make more runs per day on the Palmers than your Blizzards because they are so easy to get hooked up in a turn. I love the way Blizzards ski, but they definitely reward a "strong" skier..whereas the Palmers will reward a "precise" skier.....I hope this makes some sense...?
post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by ExoticSkis View Post
Josh,

The Palmer P02 is definitely not a stiff ski. Way softer than your 'Cross skis, but completely different. I think you will love the arcs you can make with the Palmers, but they require a different technique than your 'Cross boards....you may or may not like the input they want. If you're used to a really strong pressure technique (like getting some race room skis to grip in rutted courses!), you may overpower the Palmers. In my opinion (whoopdie doo), they are more of a technician's ski than a racer's ski (if that makes sense). I say get a demo before you buy them. I really like the way they turn. You might find that you could make more runs per day on the Palmers than your Blizzards because they are so easy to get hooked up in a turn. I love the way Blizzards ski, but they definitely reward a "strong" skier..whereas the Palmers will reward a "precise" skier.....I hope this makes some sense...?
Yep it makes total sense. Would love to be able to demo a set, unfortunately I do not have a shop that sells them, just a way to get them direct. I'll wait a couple more weeks and see if I still have the urge to buy them. I enjoy working the Blizzards as our runs in WI are way short so it is kinda like doing a bunch of intervals. I don't ever get the opportunity to get tired unless I am out of state! Thanks for the timely reply!


Josh
post #39 of 41
I haven't skiied in like 10 years and just bought a pair of Palmers. Also bought a pair of Volkl Mantras. I have no idea what to expect. I'm starting to think the Palmers may be over my head in terms of skill level. Guess I'll find out soon enough.
post #40 of 41
Kid Eh,

Since you're getting on skis again after 10 years off, I would bet if you spent the $$ on a private lesson with an instructor or buddy who knows the modern carving technique well, you would be a very happy camper and the Palmers might just be the right tools to get you arc-ing happily... remarkably easy to turn. I will bet you'd be happy as a clam you got the instruction on how to make these "newfangled" turns with the new equipment!
Welcome back to skiing...!
post #41 of 41
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Kid Eh,

Since you're getting on skis again after 10 years off, I would bet if you spent the $$ on a private lesson with an instructor or buddy who knows the modern carving technique well, you would be a very happy camper and the Palmers might just be the right tools to get you arc-ing happily... remarkably easy to turn. I will bet you'd be happy as a clam you got the instruction on how to make these "newfangled" turns with the new equipment!
Welcome back to skiing...!
Yes I was thinking just that. If I use my Palmers for the lesson will what I learned be transferable to the Mantras or is that a whole different beast? . I'm pretty althletic and a quick learner.
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