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post #1 of 14
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bears,

I have a chance to pick up a mint pair of these cheap.....with rossi 140 tt's...absolute mint.

I also might be falling into a chance to get to Utah next month for my first trip ever out west...

I am 180lbs, they are a bit short at 180's? There is very little sidecut on the ski's so my thoughts are they'll ski a bit longer. They also seem super stiff so they should pulverize crud and eat powder?

I am a lvl 8 skier at least on groomed blues and blacks.

I have near zero truly deep snow experience...which is why I am considering the skis for a trip west......

Advice?

Talk to me......:
post #2 of 14

Killer Ski!

Hi ,

If the ski you’re describing is the Volkl Explosiv then it is a killer ski and that size would be great for you. I’ve skied a 190cm Explosiv as my powder ski since the first year they were available till last year. This year I’m on a 184cm Volkl Mantra and loving it. That said, the Explosiv is a tad better at blowing through crud. The Explosiv has been the definition of a big mountain powder ski for many years. I’m 5’ 10”, 180 lbs and the 190cm was great for open skiing but it always felt just a little too long in the tight trees. It’s not that it didn’t come around in a turn it’s just that it took a little more speed that I was comfortable using in the tight trees. I’ve always thought the 180cm would have been a better size for that application. While I don’t remember tight trees in Utah if you’re getting a wonderful deal on the 180cm then I would say go for it. Given your experience and current equipment I think you will love the Explosiv.

Have fun,

Michael
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
Hi ,

If the ski you’re describing is the Volkl Explosiv then it is a killer ski and that size would be great for you. I’ve skied a 190cm Explosiv as my powder ski since the first year they were available till last year. This year I’m on a 184cm Volkl Mantra and loving it. That said, the Explosiv is a tad better at blowing through crud. The Explosiv has been the definition of a big mountain powder ski for many years. I’m 5’ 10”, 180 lbs and the 190cm was great for open skiing but it always felt just a little too long in the tight trees. It’s not that it didn’t come around in a turn it’s just that it took a little more speed that I was comfortable using in the tight trees. I’ve always thought the 180cm would have been a better size for that application. While I don’t remember tight trees in Utah if you’re getting a wonderful deal on the 180cm then I would say go for it. Given your experience and current equipment I think you will love the Explosiv.

Have fun,

Michael
Thanks Michael you are actually one of the bears I hoped would chime in

My thoughts are I would get em at such a good price ($300 bud has some tax issues) that even if I don't get to ski em this year I could just turn em around on ebay for a profit... they are truly mint, maybe 10 hrs....

I would have to redrill tho....they are mounted for 330 I have 304 sole size explosions.....

How would you recommend I mount them....my thoughts might be just a bit back, again I have absolute zero experience with any deep soft snow or fat skis.....

"hardpack" guy newbie here...

Thanks again:
post #4 of 14

Easy Ski to Sell!

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
Thanks Michael you are actually one of the bears I hoped would chime in

My thoughts are I would get em at such a good price ($300 bud has some tax issues) that even if I don't get to ski em this year I could just turn em around on ebay for a profit... they are truly mint, maybe 10 hrs....

I would have to redrill tho....they are mounted for 330 I have 304 sole size explosions.....

How would you recommend I mount them....my thoughts might be just a bit back, again I have absolute zero experience with any deep soft snow or fat skis.....

"hardpack" guy newbie here...

Thanks again:
Hi hrstrat57,

First of all it is an easy ski to sell. They stopped making it and yet it still has a huge following especially in the Inner-Mountain West.

Here is a thread from TGR with folks howling for Volkl to bring the ski back:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49539&highlight=volkl+explosiv

Here is a thread from TGR by a guy who wants to buy the ski:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69996&highlight=volkl+explosiv

As to where to mount it I had mine mounted with the mid-line of the boot sole on the mid-line mark of the ski. All five of us who have been using this ski for many years use the same position and have been happy with it. As you know Volkl is biased toward a rearward mounting position as compared to Salomon. That said most people are finding benefit from mounting their new Mantra’s 1-2cm behind the line. The easiest fix is to do what I did on my Karmas and Mantras which is buy the Tyrolia Railflex ll binding. It will allow you to move the binding up to 3cm while on the hill using just a screw driver. There are three positions on the binding, separated by 1.5cm, and I’d mount it with the binding in the rear position on the line. That way you could ski it either on the line, 1.5cm behind the line or 3cm behind the line. We’ve done that with two pairs of Mantras and it’s been a fantastic system allowing you to fine tune the performance of the ski to fit the condition of the snow. I’ve also done it with my Karmas but in the opposite direction so I could ski it on the line or up to 3cm in front of the line.

The bottom line is that it is a great and classic ski and I think you’ll have fun wherever you mount the binding. I also think that given your experience it will take you all of about three days to go from a “hardpack guy” to a dyed-in-the-wool “powder hound”!

Michael
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

wow

Thanks for taking so much time to respond:

I had seen one of those threads on tgr (I lurk there a bit) but not the other which was quite interesting.....

Appears the ski's are a huge steal at the price I will pay.....a brief hunt on ebay proved that to me.

BTW they are the maroon explosiv's with the "budda" graphic...I am told they are 2004 model year the very last production run.....the bottoms have huge yellow "Volkl" in the ptex. They are flat out gorgeous to my eyes.

Which is nice too....

I guess with zero experience on fat skis and in deep snow starting out with the 180's makes sense. I can't afford to pay more and still make the trip as it is I will probably have to dump a pair of RX 8's or the Allstars to cover the purchase.

The turn radius on the 180 is about the same as my 203 rossi 4sk's. I ski'd nicely on those one day last year....the old school turns are still fresh in the legs I expect feather the edge will apply on hardpack...nothing new there for me...so I'll get a few laps in on em before I plunge into any deep stuff.....

BTW my only experience in deep snow is 3 days total. 2 days at sugarbush during a psia clinic, most of it on castlerock...205 Olin dts. Quite a few nasty ejections over the handlebars I can vividly recall

1 day believe it or not at Wachusett a few years ago, 2 feet of fresh...on 191 Volkl carver plus....a much better tool for the conditions and I ski'd pretty good....round turns after a couple of runs and no tumbles.

Expect these ski's will help a lot....hopefully he still has em...I'll call him today....same dude has Karma's / same bindings nearly same condition....so he'll probably get some dough off me either way...

I have no problem in 8-10 inches on either the RX 8 or the Allstars tho so I think the Explosiv's make more sense....

Thanks again Michael, hopefully you are correct on the powderhound comment......once I dial the movements in a bit....perhaps I might actually take a powder lesson.....

imagine that if you will.....

post #6 of 14
The Explosiv is a great crud/soft cutup snow ski, and probably my all-time favorite ski ever. But not my first choice for pure untracked powder -- a little stiff for that, unless you're going really fast. At slower speeds, expect a bit of tip dive.

If it's $300 w/ binding, in good shape, I'd go for it.

Also, is your buddy selling his Karmas too? Length & price?
post #7 of 14
The Exploders are one of the most versatile backcountry skis imaginable so you can't go wrong. If you have no off-piste experience the shorter length might ease things up for you especially in less stellar snow conditions.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
The Explosiv is a great crud/soft cutup snow ski, and probably my all-time favorite ski ever. But not my first choice for pure untracked powder -- a little stiff for that, unless you're going really fast. At slower speeds, expect a bit of tip dive.

If it's $300 w/ binding, in good shape, I'd go for it.

Also, is your buddy selling his Karmas too? Length & price?
He wanted the same money or maybe a bit more for the Karmas, same bindings same condition...mint...they are the black ruff surface with red graphics....2003/2004 my guess, you would know better.

I'll check with him, I did not go for em cause they were 177....I figured as a twin they thus would ski like 170's....

Like I said 8" fluff/chop I'm ok with the 170 RX 8's or the 168 Allstars so I have thus far passed on em....I also recently snagged 175 RX 8's which I expect to be even better.

Not a lot of fluff and chop around here anyway....

Not a lotta loose change around this year either and I am not selling any more guitars:

I'm also thinking the explosiv's would pulverize the afternoon slop at wachusett....maybe not....hope he still has em....gonna check later today.

I think a pair of skinny waist ski's is gonna have to go.....the budget police are starting to dial in on my gear again.... mint chubby maroon ski's with budda on em gonna be tough to hide....nothing like that in this "frozen granular" household....

Thanks for chiming in E C.

You put up some of the best stuff I see on TGR btw....not lurking everyday but your posts are top notch

I really like that avatar....tho it makes my head spin...

______________

That's what I thought Powhog.....thanks!
post #9 of 14
hrstrat57 buy the 180's.

That's the size I ended up liking the most. They will pound anything (including your thighs ) into submission.

HB
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks View Post
hrstrat57 buy the 180's.

That's the size I ended up liking the most. They will pound anything (including your thighs ) into submission.

HB
Ok.....

done and being set up for my orange magic slippers as we speak..the skis even better than I thought....5 runs deep powder only....couple scratches in back from lift line....edges, ptex, rossi 140 bindings are all mint. Thus essentially new skis.

sweet.

needed some real snow so I can run over to Yawgoo Valley or wa wa and dial em in.....

Thanks a bunch to all.....any tips on how I get these fat mothers to edge on groomers I am all ears.....my assumption is big speed and back to old school moves....

that will work for me old school I am indeed.

any other thoughts appreciated.

Karmas are gone......

a pair of carvers is gonna have to leave my quiver....will likely be either the 175 RX 8's or (gulp) the 168 allstars....a bunch of racing bindings ready to go on ebay too...

gotta cull the herd so to speak...

anyone interested in skis lemme know...
post #11 of 14

Sweet Indeed!

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
Ok.....sweet......any tips on how I get these fat mothers to edge on groomers I am all ears.....my assumption is big speed and back to old school moves....a pair of carvers is gonna have to leave my quiver....will likely be either the 175 RX 8's or (gulp) the 168 allstars......
Hi hrstrat57,

As to technique: a good friend once characterized this ski as nothing more than a classic GS race ski, from the old school persuasion, that happens to be very fat. That pretty well sums it up for me and tells you exactly how to ski them. That said I’ve always been shocked at how well this ski will slice up big defined powder bumps. By that I don’t just mean piles of snow that you blow away if you don’t like the shape. I mean bumps that are big and have troughs. As long as the snow is easily edge-able these babies will rock.

As to giving up your 168cm Allstars that is a sin we won’t even discuss. I’m sure those RX 8's are dieing to find a new home now that Volkls have come to rule the roost in your quiver!

Have fun,

Michael
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by michaelsnead View Post
Hi hrstrat57,

As to technique: a good friend once characterized this ski as nothing more than a classic GS race ski, from the old school persuasion, that happens to be very fat. That pretty well sums it up for me and tells you exactly how to ski them. That said I’ve always been shocked at how well this ski will slice up big defined powder bumps. By that I don’t just mean piles of snow that you blow away if you don’t like the shape. I mean bumps that are big and have troughs. As long as the snow is easily edge-able these babies will rock.

As to giving up your 168cm Allstars that is a sin we won’t even discuss. I’m sure those RX 8's are dieing to find a new home now that Volkls have come to rule the roost in your quiver!

Have fun,

Michael
I once or twice got on top of my Rossignol 7gk's 208's with mrr's..I can still feel the wind whistling through my ears.....purple people eaters they were!!

does that qualify?

as to the allstars...

yikes....my allstar first impressions from last year thread had like 14K views last time I looked...

but I fear the budget police more:

it will likely be the 175 RX 8's that go...but I haven't ski'd em yet...next friday I'll be jumpin on those for the first time I hope.....

actively hunting hiding places for ski's as we speak
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

thanks

michaelsnead, el chup, powhog, harkinbanks thank you all so very much.

Finally got out on these dogs in about 3 inches of fluff monday. Bomber. Amazing...absolutely pulverize everything....and biggest surprise? No old school technique needed. Tip and rip. No rotary needed, no up/down, simultaneous tipping and focus on the LTE. Simple. Everything I've been working on new school applies.(Isn't it funny that for a non PMTS guy, old school PSIA guy I focus primarily on PMTS moves in my skiing now?) Feel wise they feel a lot like my old rossi 7gk 208's, but these dogs turn on a dime. Just like michealsnead promised. Exactly.

After about an hour dialed em in 100% and opened em up on challenger. A racer of high technique was in the wa course(which is flat set up with almost super G gates) all decked out in tights in the full tuck. Wasn't even paying attention to him until I noticed I was passing him.....

Cool.

Took em up to 10th md and smith walton(wa's only claim to steep = not really but steeper) Again, pulverized everything, just ski'd em with no thoughts other than how freakn amazing they were......

A guy I ski with on occasion grabbed the same chair. He said, man how can you turn those fat things so fast? They look like jumping skis.



Even cooler, I was skiing solo thus working the singles line. Every single person I rode up the lift with commented on the skis. One guy offered me $600 right off my feet, I laughed.

Fuggetaboutit.

Many said they were the most beautiful skis they had every seen.

I agree. What I don't understand is why did Volkl stop making em?

Got allstars, rx 8's and volkl explosivs.....clear now I am all set. Don't need no midfats.....probably be losing job soon so will clean house and keep either 175 rx 8 or allstars and these. Everything else likely gonna go....

If I make it out west, these are the only skis going on the plane. Cool fat skis, rad rossi turntables....

(and of course, snowboard pants)

Man I have come a long way in 2 years

Thanks epicski!
post #14 of 14
hrstrat57,

Good to here you're liking the Explosiv's.

Keep riding them and 2 things might happen - they may end up being your everyday ski : and you're going to have to start wearing Carhart's because your thighs will be so big .

HB
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