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Advice on GS Ski for Heavy Rider

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I am looking to buy a new pair of skis and would appreciate any comments others may have.
Background:
I am 36yrs old, 235lbs , 6'3" and would be considered advanced/expert level with an aggressive style. I do not race and have not skied a great deal over the last 10 years, probably 10days per year. I am getting back into some more skiing now with a young family getting into the sport.
Essentially all skiing will be east coast new England/ Canada. Hardpack and Groomers with the occassional 6-8" of powder if I am lucky in the Gaspe.

Ski Type:

I always preferred GS racing skiis when I was an instructor in my 20's. My favorite ski is still probably early 90's Rossignol 7G's. I have not done much testing with the carving skis on the market today however I did spend a couple of days on the Elan Ripstick 178 last march at Sunday River. I am currently skiing Salomon xscream's that are first generation. I do not like them or the Axendo's I had before that. I have never really liked any of the all mountain skis I have tried due to lack of edgehold and soft feel but like I said I haven't tried the newest ones.

I did like the Ripstick very much it had the edgehold I longed for but they did feel a little short/soft at speed. They had no tolerance for sliding turns but that is for me to correct and not a ski issue. Like I said I have always like GS skis for the high speed stiff feel and stability but I will be pushing these skis to shorter turns as well as these will be freeskiing only.

I am not planning on spending a whole lot of money skis ( have to outfit the family as well) and have been looking online at some new old stock. I am presently looking at the following which appear to be very good prices. Most of these skis are pretty race oriented but I would like any comments for these skis for a heavier skier and how they might compare to the Ripstick as it is the only recent technology I have tried. If anyone knows of any other models that are a good deal that may more suited for me please list those.

Nordica Doberman GSR 186 - 2006
Nordica Doberman Pro RC 182 - 2006
Volkl Racetiger GS 185cm - 2006
Fischer World Cup RC4 GS 188cm
Dynastar SPEED COURSE COMP 66 187cm - 2005

Thanks to anyone who can comment
post #2 of 20
Fischers.

Actually any cheater GS ski is probably good for what you want. I’ve heard that the Atomic GS:11 is a good ski for what you’re looking for.
For when I want to do the same kind of skiing as you are discribing, I have a pair of Elan GSX’s I got from Dawg and after running them once, they blew me away. Didn’t really like to turn too tight, and like most GS skis have a bit of a min speed before they get happy. But they’re FIS legal skis and a cheater GS ski with it’s small radius would be undoubtably easier.
post #3 of 20
I think that most of the skis you ar elooking at will feel like a runaway train. Maybe try something like the Nordica Mach 3 Power.
post #4 of 20
I skied the Dynastar's for many years. G-9's in '98, Speed Course 64's in '02 and Course 66's in '05. I'm 6-3, 285. Went from a 200cm to a 184 on the 66's.

The 66's are a very nice ski. Smooth, and to me, easy to turn and stable.
post #5 of 20
A Fischer RC4 RC in the longest length they have probably would be the ticket. We don't ski GS like we did 10 years ago (lots of knee angulation/counter-rotation) and race stock skis will not respong happily if you try to ski them this way. Get familiar with the inclination needed to make a cheater ski work (www.youcanski.com has a very nice primer on moder GAS technique) and then go on to the real stuff if you want. And believe me, especially if you are skiing with your kids, you won't: there's no reason to freeski a real GS unless you have an open groomer to yourself.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

Sounds like cheater GS

It sounds like the general concensus is a cheater GS . I believe that is that what the Ripstick is. I did like that ski although it felt too short at 178.
I believe the Nordica Doberman PRO RC 182cm is a cheater. Anyone have any comment on that ski.

Thanks
post #7 of 20
For 10 days a year, you might be money ahead to rent high performance skis until you find what you like, then buy those. I'd suggest staying away from a race ski unless you try these and others and actually prefer the race ski on your feet.

I like Head's skis a lot. If you can demo an i.xrc1100, i.xrc1200, i.xrc1400, or i.supershape, you'll probably like those. Fischer RX8 or RX9 are other excellent choices. If possible, try sizes around 170 and 175~177. Don't assume that 170 is too short until you try it in a top quality ski. You'll be surprised. Don't assume that a ski with a narrow waist and ~12 meter radius won't put a huge smile on your face. Demo.


Ken
post #8 of 20
If you really want a GS ski I would recommend either the Fischer RC4 World Cup or the Atomic GS:11. I'm about your size and weight. If you are more of a power skier my guess is you will like these best. Other possible choices would include Dynastar Course Comp and Head i.gs and the Nordica Dobermann GSR, which in my book are all a little damper but still get the job done. Volkl are also ok, but I don't like Marker bindings which are pretty much a given with the Volkls. You can find models from a couple of years ago for $ 200- 300 on ebay, for bindings add about another $ 125 or so. As far as length goes, somewhere between 180-190. If you get a chance to demo, do it.
post #9 of 20
I would third the Cheater GS comments. If you aren't racing, then you don't need a 21m+ GS for freesking, and most of them suck for freeskiing anyways, unless you are traveling really fast and are skiing relatively aggressively. Regarding the RIPstick: at you weight, you want the stepped up version, the GSX Fusion Pro (used to be called the GX Fusion Pro). Same construction as the RIPstick, but with 2 sheets of metal instead of one. It is much stiffer and more stable, but with the same snow-hugging yet energetic and ice-skate lateral stability. It is the most stable cheater GS I have skied (and I have skied pretty much everything in that category except the Stockli Laser). The GX or GSX Fusion can be hard to find, but worth it if you can track them down.

All of the cheater GS skis are good: it really boils down to your weight, skiing style, and how you want the ski to feel. Stiffer flexing skis that may hold up under your weight are the Fischer WC RC, Atomic SX11, Nordica Dobermann (the 19m version), Head iXRC 1100 RD/1200SW or i-RACE (2006 version), Elan GX Fusion Pro or GSX Fusion Pro, Volkl Racetiger (not sure of the model, but they used to make a great cheater GS). I always thought the Rossi and Dynastar "retail" GS skis were fairly soft, so they might not hold up under your weight. Also, the Blizzard race stock was fairly soft, but the carver (GSR IQ) was stiffer in flex and alot of fun.

Sorry I can't be of help, but the longest cheater GS that I have on the "blowout" special is 170cm. I do have the Elan GSX stock in a 182/188cm for $225, but that is a serious ski, and I can't guarantee that it wouldn't be excessively demanding for your purposes. Good luck on your search!
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
Volkl Racetiger (not sure of the model, but they used to make a great cheater GS).
Racetiger GS Titanium - GS oriented cheater (19 turn radius at 175cm & 180cm)
Racetiger GC Titanuim - true cheater (16.4 turn radius at 173cm, 17.3 at 178cm)
post #11 of 20
Fischer RC 4 World Cup GS 188cm are available on ebay for $149.00. I do agree with the comments that you'll probably like the cheater GS skis a bit better, though.
post #12 of 20
sorry to sound silly... but what exactly is a "GS cheater ski"?

i am just trying to figure out a potential GS ski for me which i asked in another thread...
post #13 of 20
A real deal FIS GS ski will have a radius >21m. A cheater will be <21m and generally but not always softer and more versatile than the FIS skis.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
I think that most of the skis you ar elooking at will feel like a runaway train. Maybe try something like the Nordica Mach 3 Power.
I'm 6' 280lbs. I love this ski! Get the 178cm and don't even think twice about your purchase!
post #15 of 20
I'm 6'9", 240. I ski the Volkl Supersport Superspeed in a 175 and love it. I just trid the same ski in a 182 (and I can get you in touch with the guy trying to get out from under them...e-mail me @ Sky@mountdozer.com ). I hated them. They seemd much stiffer and seemd to require much more inertia to get them to perform.

If you want to free-ski with the fam...IMO a GS or GS cheater seems like an odd choice.

I know you need to afford gear for the whole fam so price is an issue. You aslo don't care for the AMS options.

The Volkl Race Tigers (just tried the cheater in a 175 *drool*), but it lists for about a grand.

I'm also a bit confused with the comment about skiing 6 - 8 inches of powder...seems like your talking AMS. I've demo'd the RX 9 Great ski. Excellent edge grip. My boss just bought a pair of RX8's for about $500. He loves them.

I demo'd K2 Apache Recons last year (this year's model). Best ski I ever tried. Loved the Atomic GS12. Had a lot of fun on the Metron too. Tried the Head Monster...and the Rossi B3. I prefer the thinner skis (72 and lower) unless I'm hitting serious powder.

I get that your an experienced skier. I just can't figure the rest of the equation (high end ski, GS, for cheap, for Eastern slopes PLUS up to 8" of powder).

I hope you find what you want. Please post when you do.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

Sky - I'll try to Clarify

Sky,
I'll try to clarify a little. An all mountain ski would sound like the logical choice for my usage but I was burned twice with skis marketed for this purpose albeit before the current generation of skis. The names Tucker not Sucker so I don't want to burned a third time. The all mountain skis of old were typically OK in soft stuff and crud but alsolutely sucked compared to my idea of a race ski edgehold on hardpack and ice at speed.

Then last year I tried the Ripstick and really liked it for edgehold on hardpack, just a blast, but it did seem to overloaded with my weight. I understand it is basically a GS cheater design so I figured that may be the logical direction to go.

My idea is that the less skiing days you get the more important to make them count with gear that suits your preferred skiing style. If I ski with the kids all morning I don't really care if the ski performance is not great but when I am away on a trip with the boys or skiing fast in the afternoon , that is when I want the ski to perform.

I was going to just rent again this year but uncertainty on high end ski availability and trying to make arrangements has always been a pain cutting into vacation time. I guess that is why I am here looking for the opinions of all of you lucky enough to demo the lot.

If there are skis out there that are solid enough to carve it up under 235lbs like a GS cheater ski and turn around and perform in crud , and soft stuff if I am lucky then I will definately look at those options.

Anyone PLEASE chime in with those recommendations as well. I just didn't think there is really anything good at both worlds without really lacking in one respect.

I will look at that Nordica Mach 3 mentioned before as well.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by RiverRat View Post
If there are skis out there that are solid enough to carve it up under 235lbs like a GS cheater ski and turn around and perform in crud , and soft stuff if I am lucky then I will definately look at those options.

Anyone PLEASE chime in with those recommendations as well. I just didn't think there is really anything good at both worlds without really lacking in one respect.
Yes, Consider the Dynastar Contact 11 in a 178cm. However, they may be sold out. BTW, I'm 220 plus (closer to 230 right now ).

I own a well respected "cheater" GS ski, the Fischer WC RC. The Contact 11 provides 90% of the hard-snow performance, while being a joy in not-super-deep crud & bumps.

See: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=48768

Several manufacturers will be introducing new 2007/2008 models that perform like race carvers while also ripping it in soft snow. A Head Magnum Supershape features a 121-71-107mm dims and sandwich construction, for example. Fischer has new models, also.

These should be great performers.

Cheers,

Michael
post #18 of 20
I ski the Fischer RC4 WC RC (GS Cheater) in a 175cm and I am an aggressive former racer at 180 lbs. This ski at 180cm would be plenty for you. Unfortunately my source for these skis is sold out on last year's models, but if you think you want the race version try here's a great deal. The guys at the Ski Depot will do you right!
post #19 of 20
Did you see these? Thats cheap with bindings.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=73454
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 

Another question

As I have expanded my search to more versatile skis I have been reading reviews on the Nordica Mach 3 power, Dynastar Contact 11, and Head iXRC 1200SW which were all recommended.

They all sound great so I am leaning towards one of these skis. Can anyone comment which is the best for larger guy or is it just personal preference ? The Contact 11 sounds like it might be the most versatile of the three.

Also would there be much difference from these to something like the Dobermann Pro RC ( GS CHeater). A couple year old pair of these would be much cheaper but since I don't replace skiis to often I would probably bite the bullet and spend the extra $ for one of the three current models mentioned if the difference is substantial in crud performance.

Thanks to all for the great input on this thread.
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